Monday, October 6, 2014

Book Update

A lot of people have been asking me if the book is out yet. It's not, and right now it's in the publisher's hands. The best I can say is that it will be out SOON. I'm hoping maybe in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, I can give you a little bit of information. The book is being published by 18thWall Productions. The cover artist is Abigail Larson. There are forwards written by James Bojaciuk and Ivan Ronald Schablotski. The book will be available for sale through Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Smashwords and other potential distribution channels.

Tuesday, September 30, 2014

The methodology of the Television Crossover Universe

Connecting the Dots

The Television Crossover Universe exists on the premise that many television and other fictional series coexist within the same shared reality because of valid crossover connections. A series can only be brought in by being connected to something already in. But to do so, I had to start with a center. For this project , I chose I Love Lucy because that series was the first television series that would have crossovers. So with that series being the center, the dot connecting begins. Since that series is in automatically, anything that crosses with the series is then brought into the Television Crossover Universe. Then, everything that crosses with that next group is brought in. And so on and so forth.

Objectivity of Inclusion and Exclusion

My rules for inclusion and exclusion are not based on my likes and dislikes. It is based on whether the dots can be connected back to the center point, I Love Lucy, via valid crosses. I love Brooklyn Nine-Nine, but I have not yet found a valid cross to bring Brooklyn Nine-Nine into the Television Crossover Universe. On the other hand, I am not a fan of Boy Meets World, but I had to mention that Boy Meets World has crosses that bring it in.

Theories

This project’s goal is observe and report. Every story happens the way we read or see it. But sometimes more than one story that have valid crosses can contradict each other. For that reason, theories are needed to reconcile those contradictions. To keep to the project goal, most theories are created only using in-story information that can support that theory. However, sometimes I will really stretch things in the blog, such as the Zed Anomaly. I'm considering revising that blog and others to incorporate a stricter set of guidelines as employed in my books, the Horror Crossover Encyclopedia (on sale soon from 18th Wall Productions) and the Cartoon Crossover Encyclopedia (in progress).

Draculas: Soul Clones and Sons of the Dragon

When it comes to Dracula, I do not count every version of Dracula as being part of the same series stemming from Bram Stoker’s novel. There are so many different and contrary versions of Dracula out there. The way I divide up Dracula into series is by the author or the particular film or television series he comes from. Thus, Dracula (novel) refers to the character from Stoker’s novel, and he is different than Dracula (Universal), Tomb of Dracula (Marvel Comics), or the Dracula from Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Live Action Television Series). Because they are all separate series, the inclusion of one version of Dracula does not imply the inclusion of all versions of Dracula. Each series has to find its way in separately through valid crosses.

There are two theories based on in-story references from series that have been crossed in that support the idea that each of the Dracula series is not the same character. The first is the soul clone theory. This is a theory I first learned from Chuck Loridans which is utilized in his MONSTAAH website. In the blog post for Dracula, the soul clone theory is discussed in great detail, but essentially, it involves vampires that had been turned by the real Dracula, and also hypnotized and possessed by Dracula, so that they become an amalgamation of their own personality and Dracula’s.

The second theory involved the Sons of the Dragon, a theory of my own, also based on in-story information. In this theory, Satan created emissaries on Earth. These would be vampires, turned directly by Satan rather than another vampire. The word “dracula“ means “son of the dragon” and Satan has often been represented by a dragon. In a way, this would make Draculas the anti-popes. Combining the two theories, Bram Stoker’s Dracula would be a Son of the Dragon, who then went on to create soul clones.

The Frankenstein Family and Their Monsters

I take a similar methodology with Frankenstein. Just as with Dracula, every version of Frankenstein is a separate series. The theory to support it is a bit simpler. The Television Crossover Universe concept is that Victor was only the first of many of the Frankenstein Family to create monsters. Thus, not all Frankensteins are the same, nor are the monsters. This theory comes from an essay by Mark K. Brown, used on the MONSTAAH website, and supported by in-story information.

Animated Series

Some animated series get brought in. There are certain considerations for cartoons. If it involves a world where most of the population are anthropomorphic talking animals, it can’t fit in the same world as Law and Order or All in the Family. Likewise, any cartoon where characters don’t age doesn’t work. In some cases, if the animated series seems to have a valid cross, but has the problems I mentioned, I have placed them in alternate realities within the larger Televisioin Crossover Multiverse. Other times, in the case of aging, I may break down an animated series into parts and only include the relevant crossover portion.

Comic Books and Super-Heroes

There are a lot of valid crosses that connect to comic books, including those with super-heroes. Those crosses, especially from DC and Marvel, have a number of complications. Besides the aging issues mentioned with animated series, there is the issue that comic book universes are worlds where super-heroes are public, as well as alien invasions, monsters, magic, etc. In most television series, the world appears on the surface to be as mundane as the real world (thought slightly more dramatic or humorous), with most people disbelieving in anything paranormal. Another issue is that with certain companies like DC, there have been multiple reboots creating multiple versions of the characters, and with crosses connected to all versions. When it comes to comics stories connected to the Television Crossover Universe, I’ve had to make some restrictions. First, even if super-heroes existed, they must have worked secretly. Also, to take aging into consideration, they would have only operated for ten to twenty years before retiring. Finally, in the case of characters like Superman and Batman, who have several different versions crossed in, I use the concept that the original heroes had sons who carried on the heroic tradition.

Television Crossover Multiverse

Some stories are specifically stated to be alternate realities. Others just don’t fit in the main Television Crossover Universe for continuity reasons. For that reason, some stories with valid crosses end up as divergent timelines, parallel universes, or pocket dimensions.

Reverse Canon Incorporation

When a series in “crossed in”, the entire canon of that series is incorporated into the Television Crossover Universe. But the reverse is not necessarily true. Though I’ve incorporated Law and Order, I doubt NBC will feel that Phineas and Ferb is part of same universe as SVU.

Not Just the Facts, Ma’am

This blog is filled with factual information. However, having said that, as a former ghostwriter for textbooks, I did not want this to be dry and boring. That’s not my style. So as a warning, occasionally I have thrown in a bad joke or offered my biased opinion on a certain story or series.

The Format of the Posts

All posts are uniformly written for clarity of information. Here is the breakdown of the format.

  • Usually, if I have any announcements, whether about the post being read, the TVCU blog in general, or any other projects of the TVCU, I will put those write at the top of the page. Sometimes in blue, except when I forget.
  • Next I will introduce the post, discussing the subject's brief history and my own thoughts on the subject.
  • Then we get to the chronology. The chronology is written from a fictional historical point of view, as in when the stories took place, rather then when they were produced in the real world. The chronologies not only detail all the crossovers of that subject, but will often tie in other important chronological information about the characters of the series. When I update a post, I don't create a new post, but simply just edit the pre-existing one and then share it on social media to let people know it's been updated. For a while, updates were in blue. But I got lazy. If you see blue, it's now meaningless. Updates may not be in blue. Also, when I remember, apocrypha is in red. There are some entries in the chronology that are regarding fan sites, our own fun attempt to incorporate fictional versions of the TVCU Crew into the TVCU. I try very hard to let readers know what is apocrypha.
  • Following the main chronology for the subject is a list of other realities applicable to that series.
  • Finally, at the bottom, I will throw in my final thoughts or make a final attempt to be funny.













Monday, September 29, 2014

What’s a crossover?

Something that always surprises me when I try to discuss what I write about is that a lot of people do not understand what a fictional crossover is. I felt that before reading the Television Crossover Universe, I had best explain what it is.
The term crossover can be used in a very general way, or in a more specific way.
In a broader sense, a crossover can be any combination of two separate series. This can include mashups. An example of this would be a story or even a picture with Dirty Harry Potter, combining the character of Dirty Harry played by Clint Eastwood with the boy wizard from the J.K. Rowling books.
It can also be a story that couldn’t possibly exist within the canon of the series involved. One example was the Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue animated special. This combined many famous cartoon characters, but presented them all as toys brought to life.
For my purposes, what I consider to be a valid crossover is one where two series are combined in a way that demonstrates that both series separately coexist within the same shared reality. Who Framed Roger Rabbit is one great example of this. Several cartoon characters from several different animation studios owned by different companies appeared within the same story, in a manner that did not contradict their individual canons. Thus, we were able to deduce from the evidence of the film that characters like Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny actually existed in the same universe, even if they had seldom crossed paths.
In the live action world of television, crossovers are used often as marketing gimmicks. A great way to get people to watch a new show is to have a character from a more well known series appear. Detective Munch was a character from Homicide, who guested on Law & Order, and then became a regular on Special Victims Unit. He also appeared on X-Files and Arrested Development. Thus, all of those shows coexist in the same reality. The Bluth family lives in a world where Mulder is uncovering conspiracies because of Detective Munch.
Of course, crossovers can be more subtle. Angel is in the same universe as Buckaroo Banzai and the Alien franchise because the fictional companies from those series are clients of the law firm from Angel. Fictional companies and products, such as Oceanic Airlines or Morley Cigarettes, can provide a link to add series to a shared reality.

For more specific examples of what counts and doesn’t count as valid crossovers for the purposes of my writing projects, see tomorrow's post on Television Crossover Universe Rules for Inclusion in the Television Crossover Universe.

Sunday, September 28, 2014

Why crossovers?

I first became aware of the fictional crossover/shared reality concept when I was five years old. As my family was about to embark on a drive from Massachusetts to California, my father gave me my first comic book to keep me occupied, and it was an issue of the Marvel Comics adaptation of Scooby’s All-Star Laff-A-Lympics. This is the first time I was able to comprehend what was going on here, on a significant level. All these characters from their own cartoons were appearing together, as part of the same reality, thus placing all their previous cartoons in the same reality.
From that point on, I started becoming more aware. As I started reading more comics, I noticed how all the DC characters lived in one world while the Marvel characters lived on another, and I mostly only bought team and team-up books. Of course, once Superman met Spider-Man, my mind was blown again.
I also started to notice cartoon events like the annual networks previews shows that would combine all their cartoons in the same universe. And I would also notice the live action shows. Facts of Life characters appeared on Diff’rent Strokes. Mork had met the Happy Days gang and Laverne & Shirley. Trapper John M.D. had been on MASH. Maude was related to Edith Bunker and George Jefferson used to be Archie’s neighbor.
Around the age of eight, I started keeping track of these various shared realities, particularly focusing on live action and animated television. I started lumping them into groups based on their crossover connections. When I was 12, I bought my first book about the history of television. It was an encyclopedia style with entries on every television series, and one of the appendixes was a list of crossovers and spin-offs. I was both excited to see crossovers I had previously not known of, but also to find some crossovers I had found were not listed. Inspired by the DC Multiverse, I started to coin the groups together as the Television Crossover Multiverse and started to label them individually as TVCU-1, TVCU-2, etc.
When I grew up and left for the army, I left my notebooks behind, and they were destroyed in a flood. However, I continued to keep track of crossovers and recreated my groupings in a word document.
In 2001, as I was exploring the internet, I came across a few websites that perhaps changed my life. They were all crossover related sites, and for the first time, I discovered that there were other people like me who also kept track of such things. I had thought I was the only one.
Thanks to social networking, I eventually got to be friends with some of these other people who share my hobby, and the sharing of ideas eventually led to the creation of our own discussion group, the Crossovers Forum, on Facebook.
The forum became more popular than I expected, with lots of active discussions, and I was inspired to finally turn my notes into something tangible and public, the Television Crossover Universe blog. I didn’t really expect anyone to read it, and was just trying to get my ideas out there, but to my pleasant surprise, people did read it, and others began contributing to the blog.
Since I was little, I’ve always wanted to be a writer, but fiction was not my strength. Finding that I do have a strength in researching and discussing crossovers, I decided to try my hand as writing a book about fictional crossovers, and should it be successful, continue with a series of books.

So why crossovers? I can’t really explain why. It seems to be something that you either get or you don’t. For me, it became an obsession from an early age, and one that only grew stronger over time. I hope when you read this blog, you will feel my love for the subject.

Sunday, September 7, 2014

Projects: Past, Present, and Future

PAST

I've just submitted my first book, the Horror Crossover Encyclopedia, to the publisher.  It's estimated to be released in early to mid October.  It takes a similar approach to this blog, but is focused only on horror and goes into much greater detail than these blog posts usually do.  If you are a fan of posts on this site covering topics like Scooby-Doo!, H.P. Lovecraft, Zombies, or other horror related material, you just might like the book.

PRESENT

In the next few months, I'll be updating some of the older blog posts here and writing new ones as well.

FUTURE

I'm already working on the next book.  It's similar to the last one, but instead of horror, I will be writing about cartoons.  I'm shooting for a 2016 release.  If you are a fan of posts on this site covering topics like My Little Pony, Offspring of Zed, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, or other animation related material, you just might like the book.  (Note that the Zed theory will not be part of the book.  But the shows involved in that blog post will.)

Explaining the Terminology

TVCU?  HCU?  Looniverse?  Cartoon Universe?  What?

To help those who may be new, here is a brief review of some of the terms you may see used to describe shared realities.

Cartoon Universe--This is the reality of my next book, the Cartoon Crossover Encyclopedia.  The Cartoon Universe is not exactly the same as the Looniverse, but it is very similar.  If you see a blog post with an entry that mentions the Cartoon Universe, you should assume in that case that the Cartoon Universe and Looniverse are one and the same.  And if you see an entry that mentions the Cartoon Universe, you are getting a sneak peek at my second book.

Doctor Who Universe--This is the universe that Doctor Who takes place in, and anything connected to Doctor Who.

HCU--Abbreviation for Horror Crossover Universe.

Horror Crossover Universe--This was the name of my first book and the name of the reality described in the book in its early draft.  The finished book is called the Horror Crossover Encyclopedia and the reality is called the Horror Universe.  If you see any entries that mention the Horror Crossover Universe, you should assume for the blog purposes that Horror Crossover Universe and Television Crossover Universe are the same.  In reality, they are not exactly the same, but if I use an entry from my book for the blog, then in that case they are the same.  Incidentally, if you see one of these entries, then you are seeing something from the first stages of my first professional work.

Horror Universe--This is the reality of the Horror Crossover Encyclopedia.  It is not exactly the same as the Television Crossover Universe, but if you see an entry that mentions the Horror Universe, you should assume that Horror Universe is just another term for Television Crossover Universe in that instance.  The Horror Universe is indeed very similar.  If you see Horror Universe in an entry, you are getting a free sneak peek at my first book, the Horror Crossover Encyclopedia.

Looniverse--This is the universe of cartoons that do not fit in the Television Crossover Universe.  The name was first used in the Superman/Bugs Bunny comic book mini-series to describe the reality of Bugs Bunny.  It was also used in an unreleased Tiny Toon Adventures video game.

Television Crossover Universe--This is the name of the blog and the main shared reality discussed within the blog.  Originally called the TV Crossover Universe, I changed it because I thought Television Crossover Universe sounded better.

TV Crossover Universe--This is the name first used for this blog, and the universe this blog describes.  I came up with it when I was a kid.  After the first few posts, I changed it to Television Crossover Universe.  So TV Crossover Universe and Television Crossover Universe are one and the same.

TVCU--Simply an abbreviation for Television Crossover Universe, because writing Television Crossover Universe over and over can be tedious.

Whoniverse--Just a cool alternate name for the Doctor Who Universe.  I first heard it used by my friend in high school, but I'm sure he didn't invent the term.  It's now become widespread in fandom, and I'm sure none of those fans got the term from either me or my friend.

Friday, August 8, 2014

LOONIVERSE PRESENTS: POPEYE THE SAILOR

Once again, we venture into the Looniverse.  Now Popeye does exist in the TVCU.  He has crossed with both the Shadow and Superman.  However, this version is the comic strip version, whose origins and general history makes him as different from the Looniverse version as Jay Garrick is different from Barry Allen.  Thus, the Looniverse version is a separate being, and since he is the one with screen time, he is the one I focus my blog on.




As I go along in the blog, I will make notes here and there, but for more info on the nature of the reality of the Looniverse, please see my blog covering Bugs Bunny.

776 B.C.--POPEYE MEETS HERCULES--An ancestor of Popeye is in the first Olympic Games.  Hercules is there.  This seems to be an imposter, who is an ancestor of Bluto.  This is clearly not the Disney version, who is the real Looniverse Hercules.  Hercules had many imposters in the Looniverse and in the TVCU.

775 B.C.--GREEK MIRTHOLOGY--The Popeye ancestor who beat "Hercules" now himself claims to be Hercules, and indeed is the first in the family line perhaps to find the secret that their gene gives them super-powers after eating spinach.

8th century--POPEYE THE SAILOR MEETS SINBAD THE SAILOR--Popeye tells his nephews about this adventure, as if it happened to him.  Sinbad's adventures were in the 8th century.  Popeye didn't meet Olive and Wimpy (who are in the story) until the early 20th century.  So Popeye was likely fibbing, but telling the story of his ancestor.  The Sinbad here is a much more sinister person than the TVCU version.  He also seems to be an ancestor of Bluto.

1190--ROBIN-HOOD-WINKED--Despite the title and who they call themselves, this is simply another place in England where tax collection was corrupt and an archer protects the citizens.  In this case, the archer is an ancestor of Popeye, and Bluto's ancestor is a tax collector.  Olive's ancestor is a barmaid.  It's likely this archer is inspired by the real Robin Hood (a fox), as is a duck in a nearby village and a rabbit in another nearby village.

1337--ANCIENT FISTORY--One of Popeye's ancestors experiences a "CINDERELLA story."

1360--WOTTA KNIGHT--Ancestors of Popeye and Bluto are knights that had at some point tried to rescue Sleeping Beauty, who is an ancestor of Olive.  This is an untold and greatly distorted part of the tale, as I take the Disney version as being official for the Looniverse.

1620--WIGWAM WHOOPEE--A great grandparent of Popeye (not the same as the next entries...there can be more than one) comes to America on a rowboat right behind the Mayflower, and falls for an Indian princess (who seems to be another great grandmother of Olive).

1633--I YAM WHAT I YAM--The great grandparents of Popeye, Olive Oyl, and Wimpy come to America and have to deal with Indian problems.

1661--THE ISLAND FLING--The great grandparents of Popeye and Olive are stranded on an island where they encounter Robinson Crusoe, who may be the great grandfather of Bluto.

1931-THE FOOTBALL TOUCHER DOWNER--In college, Popeye and Bluto are on different football teams.  Olive and Wimpy go to school with Popeye.  This clearly supports my notion that the comics and cartoons don't work together.  See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye to see how the origins don't match up.

1933--POPEYE THE SAILOR--The first Popeye cartoon was actually a Betty Boop feature, that ended up spinning off the character into his own series.  Okay, so when I did the Three Stooges and Bugs Bunny, I covered every single short because I treated them like separate films.  That took a long time and drove me mad with boredom.  And I doubt anybody read the whole thing, as most of them weren't that significant to the overall blog concept.  But I'm a completeist.  But I've realized it would be like listing every single episode of a TV series, which I don't do.  So I'm going to just cover the episodes which matter (which still means I'll be reviewing each one to see which ones matter, and then also doing an entry summing up the entire series.)

1933 - 1957--POPEYE SHORTS--All the shorts take place here unless I list them elsewhere.  If they aren't listed, assume they take place around the time of their film debut.  Popeye of the cartoons has a different mythology from the comics, so the two aren't compatible and the comics are in the TVCU.    Like many 'toons", Popeye and gang are long lived, but not immortal.

1933--BLOW ME DOWN!--Often in the shorts, it seems that Popeye, Olive, and Bluto continue to meet each other for the first time, in different parts of the world, where they may even be different nationalities.  But this is no different than the problems I've faced in shorts with the Stooges or in films with Abbott and Costello.  It's simply this. After each tale, the three go their separate ways, only to again run into each other shortly after.

1934--SOCK-A-BYE, BABY--Popeye encounters the immortal mute with a harp, who is one of four that travel together usually.  These TVCU immortals all seem to have found their way to the Looniverse from time to time, likely first discovering the portal that connects Los Angeles to Toon Town (a portal later moved to the Warner Bros. studio lot.  There are other portals in Anaheim and Orlando, as well, apparently.  Likely others exist.)

1935--BEWARE OF BARNACLE BILL--Bluto is calling himself Barnacle Bill, claiming to be the legendary character from the song.  However, as many have used that identity and they are all clearly not hte same person, I'd have to say they are all posing as a legendary character that may or may not have really existed.

1935--ADVENTURES OF POPEYE--Popeye is pulled to Earth-Prime to help a kid fight a bully.

1936--LITTLE SWEE'PEA--This is the first appearance of Swee'Pea.  No origin is given, though in the cartoons he seems to be in the care of Olive, yet he seems to be Popeye's nephew.  Swee'Pea is not child's real name, but a term of affection.  It seems likely that he is the "son" in POPEYE AND SON, but is not one of the four nephews that we'll see coming up.  If Popeye has those four nephews, and then another not clearly a sibling of those four, then it seems that Popeye must have at least two siblings.  The four brats must be kids of a sibling Popeye is close to, since they visit him often, but if we assume that Swee'Pea's origin is similar to the comics, in which he was abandoned and found by Popeye and Olive, then his other sibling must follow more closely in character to Popeye's father, who abandoned Popeye as a kid.







1937--POPEYE THE SAILOR MEETS ALI BABA'S FORTY THIEVES--Despite the title, Ali Baba doesn't appear.  Instead, Popeye hears of a villain named Abu Hassan in Arabia and goes there to stop him. Olive and Wimpy come along.  Abu Hassan has inherited the title of leader of the Forty Thieves, and in fact, may be a relative of Bluto (of course.)

1938--GOONLAND--Popeye meets his long lost pappy, Poopdeck.

1938--BIG CHIEF UGH-AMUGH-UGH--Popeye and Olive deal with Indians in the west.  As I've noted in the Bugs Bunny blog, in the Looniverse, he west remains unsettled and very much like our "old west" up until around the 1980s (with the exception of Hollywood.)  This even includes an ongoing gold rush in California and the Klondike of Alaska.

1938--POPEYE PRESENTS EUGENE, THE JEEP--This short actually came out in 1940, but it would contradict the next entry if placed there.  In this tale, Popeye is given a puppy, Eugene, by Olive.  The puppy turns out to be a jeep.  Thus this story seems to lead into the next entry, which is the jeep's first animated appearance.

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1938--THE JEEP--This is the first appearance of the Jeep, a magical dog that can disappear.  No animated origin is given for how he got this creature.  In the comics, this origin is given:  "A Jeep is an animal living in a three dimensional world—in this case our world—but really belonging to a fourth dimensional world. Here's what happened. A number of Jeep life cells were somehow forced through the dimensional barrier into our world. They combined at a favorable time with free life cells of the African Hooey Hound. The electrical vibrations of the Hooey Hound cell and the foreign cell were the same. They were kindred cells. In fact, all things are, to some extent, relative, whether they be of this or some other world, now you see. The extremely favorable conditions of germination in Africa caused a fusion of these life cells. So the uniting of kindred cells caused a transmutation. The result, a mysterious strange animal."  In the cartoon, Popeye explains to Olive "The Jeep's a magical dog and can disappear and things."

1939--POPEYE'S VOYAGE:  THE QUEST FOR PAPPY--Despite it's release in 2004, this must take place early on after the first appearances of Poopdeck and Swee'Pea.

1939--ALADDIN AND HIS WONDERFUL LAMP--Olive writes a story in which Popeye is Aladdin and she is the princess.  The story of course is fictional.  But the Aladdin tale is based on true events, which Disney told more faithfully (in the Looniverse).

1939--IT'S THE NATURAL THING TO DO--It's established that Popeye has a fan club, and that he and others are (like many Looniverse characters), part of reality documentaries that appear as shorts in the big screen.

1941 to 1945--WORLD WAR II--During this era, Popeye and Bluto seem to sometimes be in the Navy, then not.  It's likely that all the Navy stories happen perhaps in the latter half of the war years, say 1943 - 1945.  The other shorts of this era likely happened in 1941 to 1943, since many of them still show the world at war, even though Popeye and Bluto are civilians.

1944--SHE-SICK SAILORS--Bluto poses as Superman to impress Olive.  Now there is evidence that Superman exists in the Looniverse, as seen in a Bugs Bunny short for example, but we also know that the TVCU Superman (the original one) sometimes visited the Looniverse as well in the 1930s and 1940s (as seen in Roger Rabbit and some Superman promotional material from the comics.)

1946--ROCKET TO MARS--Popeye accidentally launches himself to Mars where the leader of the Martians strangely and unexplainably resembles Bluto.

1947--WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT?--This more than anything else is probably the glue that ties together the Looniverse.  This story shows that almost every cartoon from the golden age of film all coexist in the same reality.  Who's in it?
  • The Fox and the Crow-originally storyboarded to have a cameo while Eddie's looking for Jessica in Toontown.
  • Mighty Mouse - originally storyboarded to appear in a scene cut from the film, being comforted by the Fleischer Superman at Marvin Acme’s funeral.[11]
  • Heckle and Jeckle
  • The lion from The Temperamental Lion
  • Garfield* - originally he went to Toontown
  • Yakky Doodle* - was originally supposed to be in the final scene with the Toons.
  • Scooby-Doo* - was originally in Toontown.
Note: *denotes anachronisms; these characters (or, in the cases of characters such as Tinker Bell and Marvin the Martian, the animated versions of them that appear in the film) were created and/or first appeared after 1947. But as screenplay writer Peter S. Seaman said, "The aim was entertainment, not animation history." There were a few notable Golden Age characters such as Popeye and Tom and Jerry missing from the movie due to legal copyright issues.


1949--POPEYE'S PREMIERE--The story Olive wrote about Popeye as Aladdin is made into a feature length film.

1951--LET'S TALK SPINACH--In this tale, Popeye tells his nephews about how he learned to like spinach, but the tale he tells is a rip-off of JACK AND THE BEANSTALK.  I tend to believe it didn't really happen, at least not the way Popeye tells it.

1953--SHAVING MUGGS--Only mentioned as it appears that the boys rejoined the Navy during the Korean conflict.  This seems to be their one and only Korean War era military appearance.

1954--POPEYE'S 20TH ANNIVERSARY--Popeye is honored for the 20th anniversary of his reality documentary shorts.  The ceremony is hosted by Bob Hope.  Other celebrities present are Jimmy Durante, Bing Crosby, Jerry Lewis, and Dean Martin.  Note these are the Looniverse counterparts of these characters.

March 1, 1961--TV GUIDE--TV Guide hosts a party in the Looniverse.  Attendees are (from the Looniverse):  Yogi Bear, Sylvester the Cat, Donald Duck, Vincent Van Gopher, Huckleberry Hound, Mickey Mouse, Olive Oyl, Popeye, Quick Draw McGraw, Bugs Bunny, Pepe LePew, Auggie Doggie and his daddy, Mr. Magoo, Pixie and Dixie, Tweety Bird, Deputy Dawg, and Felix the Cat.  Also attending, having been pulled from the TVCU are:  Dick Tracy, Flat-Top, Ollu (using the alias Fred Flintstone), and Buzsla (using the alias Barney Rubble).  Appearances of Fred and Barney in the present are not due to time travel.  This is their current incarnations.  Ollu and Buzsla are part of a select few that often get to visit the alternate reality called the Looniverse.



1960 to 1963--POPEYE THE SAILOR--Animated TV series continuing the adventures.

1972--POPEYE MEETS THE MAN WHO HATED LAUGHTER--The evil plot of Dr. Morbid Grimsby brings together BLONDIE, BEETLE BAILY, BRINGING UP FATHER, FLASH GORDON, HENRY, HI AND LOIS, THE KATZENJAMMER KIDS, LITTLE IODINE, THE LITTLE KING, MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN, THE PHANTOM, POPEYE, PRINCE VALIANT, QUINCY, SNUFFY SMITH, STEVE CANYON, TIGER, TIM TYLER'S LUCK, and THE YELLOW SUBMARINE.  This adventure actually affects both the Looniverse and the TVCU.  Many comic strip characters have crossovers linking them to the TVCU, others to the Looniverse, and some to both.  As for Popeye, it seems as though the two counterparts may have temporarily merged into one being for this adventure.






1978 to 1983--THE ALL-NEW POPEYE HOUR--Popeye has some cool adventures against the Sea Hag and Olive joins the Army!!!

1981 to 2007--VIDEO GAMES--Numerous video games have been made that feature the Looniverse Popeye.

1987 to 1988--POPEYE AND SON---Popeye and Olive have gotten married, and adopted Swee'Pea, who is now Popeye Junior.  Bluto is also married and has a kid, who is strangely the same age as Junior.  But this is the Looniverse.  We can't put too much logic into these things.

2004--SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS MOVIE--Hanging on the wall of an ice cream parlor are pictures of Popeye and KRAZY KAT.  I was on the fence on which reality to place Spongebob in, but this may have won me over for being in the Looniverse.

2006--DRAWN TOGETHER--"The Lemon AIDS Walk"--Popeye reveals to Captain Hero that he has contracted AIDS from sharing steroids needles.  Captain Hero makes a reference that may mean that Captain Hero is Swee'Pea/Popeye Junior!!!  At the end of the story, Popeye has died and his spirit floats off into Heaven.  DRAWN TOGETHER is always filled with cartoon cameos, but they aren't always characters from the Looniverse.  As we know, characters often get pulled temporarily to the Looniverse from other realities, often returning to their own reality either with no memory of the event, or believing it was a dream.  Others who appeared in this episode are from:  POPEYE, THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE, WHERE THE WILD THINGS ARE, REN AND STIMPY, HAMBURGER HELPER, TRANSFORMERS (which are actually from the TVCU, THING (from FRED AND BARNEY MEET THE THING, not the FANTASTIC FOUR member), HE-MAN (who is from Eternia, an alternate reality according to DC COMICS), THUNDERCATS, SHE-RA (who is from Etheria, an alternate version of Eternia), SPIDER-MAN (who must be the 60s animated version), THE JOLLY GREEN GIANT, FAMILY GUY (from the BONGO UNIVERSE).



2008--DRAWN TOGETHER--"Lost in Parking Space"--Popeye is among several that are kidnapped by Hot Topic to be tortured by paying customers.  It seems his death was misleading two years earlier.  Perhaps he had just gone into a coma and had an out of body experience, astrally projecting his image to Captain Hero.  Others appearing are from SPEED RACER, HE-MAN (from Eternia), WONDER WOMAN (the version who has met the POWERPUFF GIRLS), KIRK CAMERON (LOONIVERSE counterpart), LION KING, DAVEY AND GOLIATH, STAR WARS (from TVCU), FINDING NEMO, FLINTSTONES (in this case, Fred Flintstone/Ollu from TVCU), CARE BEARS, DARIA (which pulls Beavis and Butt-Head and the Head into the Looniverse), SCOOBY-DOO (from TVCU), POWERPUFF GIRLS, SIMPSONS (from Bongo Universe), POPEYE, THE NEVERENDING STORY.

ALTERNATE REALITIES:

CINEVERSE--I spent months (really) trying to get the comics, cartoons, and film to work together, but I just couldn't do it.  One of my favorite films (really) takes place here.

IMIGINATIONLAND--This is a reality where everything imaginary in the Bongo Universe actually exists, including Popeye.

LOONIVERSE X--bombers flown by Mickey MouseDonald DuckPopeye,Goofy and Felix the Cat kill Frenchmen.

OLD TIME RADIO UNIVERSE--The 1930s radio show takes place here.

ROBOT CHICKEN UNIVERSE--This reality has several parodies of Popeye that don't really fit anywhere else.

TELEVISION CROSSOVER UNIVERSE--As always, very strange to put the TVCU in the AU section.  The Popeye of the comic strips exists here, and encountered the Shadow in THE SHADOW STRIKES # 27, in a series that also involved TERRY AND THE PIRATES, CAPTAIN EASY, WASH TUBBS, LITTLE ORPHAN ANNIE.  See http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Articles.htm#Comic for more details.  THE MALTESE FALCON also figures in this story.  Popeye would later meet Superman in 1973. And there's one additional TVCU appearance, in DEADLY HANDS OF KUNG FU.  An anonymous writer on IMDB says "It's one of the "Bruceploitation" films that were made to cash in on Bruce Lee after his death. The story follows Bruce Lee after he dies and ends up in Hell. Once there, he does the logical thing and opens a gym. After fending off the advances of the King Of Hell's naked wives, he discovers that the most evil people in Hell are attempting a takeover, so Bruce sets out to stop it. As if it wasn't weird enough, the evil people are: Zatoichi (the blind swordsman hero of Japanese film), James Bond, The Godfather, The Exorcist, Emmanuelle (the "heroine" of many European softcore porn films), Dracula, and, of course, Clint Eastwood (played by a Chinese guy). Aiding Bruce is The One-Armed Swordsman (hero of kung-fu films), Kain from the U.S. tv series, Kung-Fu (actually played by a Chinese guy this time), and Popeye the Sailor Man! Yes, Popeye the Sailor Man. He eats spinach and helps Bruce fight some mummies"

Dennis E. Power Secret History UNIVERSE--Also strange for me to list this.  Dennis' super-hero work and my own diverge too much, that they must be on alternate yet similar realities.  For more on the Shadow Strikes # 27, see http://www.pjfarmer.com/secret/Luthors/lethalluthors-davidluthor.html.  Also see http://www.pjfarmer.com/secret/marvelous/supermanchronology.htm for a different origin of Popeye that involves the Superman mythos.  Also, I recommend just going to http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Pulp2.htm#Map and doing a search for "Popeye" to find several more articles involving the character.