Wednesday, January 12, 2011

SUPERMEN!!! A TVCU MULTIVERSE GUIDE

TVCU MULTIVERSE

There are many different versions of Superman, each a distinct timeline, and yet many of these timelines can be traced back to the TVCU using crossovers.  The original Superman post was becoming a bit of a mess so I decided to give each major Superman timeline with crossover connections to the TVCU its own timeline blog post.  Below are the ones you can find elsewhere by clicking on the link.

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GOLDEN AGE SUPERMAN (COMICS) [1938 - 1958]

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ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN (RADIO) [1940 - 1951]

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Superman (Fleischer Studios Animated Shorts) [1941 - 1943]

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Silver Age Superman (Comics) [1945 - 1986]

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THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN (TELEVISION SERIES) [1951 - 1958]

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New Adventures of Superman [1966 - 1969]

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SUPERMAN (FILM SERIES) [1978 - 1987]

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Post-Crisis Superman [1986 - 2011]

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ADVENTURES OF SUPERBOY [1988 - 1992]

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Man of Steel/Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice/Justice League (DC Extended Universe)[2013 - Present]

Pop Culture References -- There are tons of generic pop culture references to Superman that could be implied as shared universe crossovers, but they don't necessarily fall into any of the above categories, and are more generalized Superman references.  I've decided not to include those in any of the timelines, but they will still appear in other timelines for the other series involved in the crossovers, such as Family Guy or Jesse.  

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UNDER CONSTRUCTION!

THIS POST IS BEING REVISED AND SPLIT UP IN THE SAME MANNER I DID RECENTLY WITH THE SCOOBY-DOO POSTS.  SO I'M KEEPING THIS POST VISIBLE BUT IT WILL BE A MESS FOR A WHILE.

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May 1998--SIMPSONS--"Lost Our Lisa"--When Homer believes he is about to be killed, he prays for SUPERMAN to save him. He survives, though there is no intervention from the man of steel.



FAMILY GUY (ANIMATED SERIES)
SEASON 2 EPISODE 2 “HOLY CRAP”
Release Date: September 30, 1999
Other Crosses: Cool Hand Luke; Wizard of Oz; Brady Bunch
Cutaway Crosses:  Love Boat; Superman; Sanford and Son
Non-Crosses:  Dick Van Dyke Show
The Story: Peter’s father comes to visit and makes everyone miserable with his religious self-righteousness, so Peter kidnaps the pope in hopes that His Eminence can help convince Peter’s dad that Peter is a good father.
Notes: Other Crosses:  While driving the “Popemobile”, Peter passes the chain gang from Cool Hand Luke, implying a version of that film exists within the Cartoon Universe, taking place in the 1990s, and is set in New England. The Scarecrow and Tin Man from the Wizard of Oz appear in Peter’s living room, in a scene that mirrors the ending where Dorothy says goodbye. Only instead of the Cowardly Lion, actress Kristy McNichol is there. The Brady kids run down the stairs at the Griffin home when an orchestra plays their theme.  Cutaway Crosses:  When Brian mentions the scene from the Bible where Abraham almost kills Isaac, a cutaway shows Abraham Lincoln attempting to kill Isaac from the Love Boat. I don’t consider this to be canonical for the Cartoon Universe. Also not canon is the scene in which Peter imagines himself in Hell. Superman is there, having killed a prostitute for making fun of his being faster than a speeding bullet. Fortunately, since this scene was imagined by Peter, it doesn’t count as part of Cartoon Universe canon.  Another cutaway shows Peter and his father replacing Lamont and Fred on Sanford and Son.  Non-Crosses:  An alternate opening to the Dick Van Dyke Show is seen.










FAMILY GUY (ANIMATED SERIES)
SEASON 4 EPISODE 3 “BLIND AMBITION”
Release Date: May 15, 2005
Animated Series Crosses: Keebler Elves; Snap, Crackle and Pop (Rice Krispies)
Other Crosses: Star Wars
The Story: Quagmire attempts to overcome his sex addiction while Peter goes blind from over consumption of nickels trying to break a record.
Notes: The Keebler Elves plot against Snap, Crackle and Pop with the help of actor Judd Hirsch. After an act of heroism, Peter is rewarded in a manner similar to the ending of Star Wars episode IV, including appearances of Chewbacca, C3PO, and R2D2. In a non-canonical flashback, which is likely only part of Peter’s imagination, Peter once lived at Superman’s Fortress of Solitude, and was a distraction during a meeting of the Justice League.



SOUTH PARK (ANIMATED SERIES)
SEASON 14 EPISODE 11 - 13 “COON 2: HINDSIGHT/MYSTERION RISES/COON VS. COON AND FRIENDS”
Release Date: October 27 - November 10, 2010
Other Crosses: Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos; Superman
The Story: The super-heroic Coon forms a new team of heroes called Coon and Friends, but soon the Coon finds himself facing dissention in the ranks, a rival called Captain Hindsight, and Cthulhu, who has risen in reaction to the BP oil spill. Additionally, it is revealed that Mysterion (Kenny McCormick) has the ability to return to life each time he’s killed, with nobody remembering his death, because of his parents’ previous involvement in a Cthulhu cult.
Notes: Technically, the revelation explaining the long running gag regarding Kenny’s death in each episode only to return in the next makes the entire series a crossover with Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos. This storyline is referenced in the 2013 film Thou Gild’st the Even when one of the characters declares “I can’t die” as Kenny does. Of course, it’s been established that toons of the Cartoon Universe generally can’t die. But there have been exceptions. As has also been established, the Cartoon Universe is actually more of a “patchwork” of numerous overlapping realities. In each city, different rules seem to apply (the rules set by that show’s creators, of course). So this explanation for Kenny’s death is explained in a manner that fits the South Park rules. But, we might view this explanation in a broader sense and postulate that perhaps the very nature of most toons’ immortality and the Cartoon Universe itself, a reality shaped by the psychic energy of denizens of the Live Action Universe, may somehow be connected to the Old Ones of Lovecraft’s multiversal Cthulhu Mythos. Superman and Lex Luthor are also referenced as being real, and Cartman (as the Coon) claims that Superman isn’t around anymore because he never teamed up with Luthor.

9 comments:

  1. So you know, the official word from DC is that the new Young Justice cartoon takes place on Earth-16; NOT the standard DCAU. I can attest to a small number of differences between YJ and the established continuity of Earth-12 (though I consider them trivial enough to overlook).

    1. Zatarra is a member of the JL on Earth-16.
    2. Wally West is still the Kid Flash on Earth-16
    3. The JLA have a Hall of Justice. They don't use it anymore, but it's there.

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  2. My inclusion of Young Justice in Earth-12 was based solely on my seeing it in IMDB and seeing the commercials on Cartoon Network. So I stand corrected.

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  3. The Superman in American Splendor is actually a kid in a Halloween costume. It's a great film, based on the excellent biographical comic by the late Harvey Pekar. I highly recommend it.

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  4. I see you have gone from a more complex system to a somewhat simplified one. While I applaud your efforts, it still seems to me that some of the "Real World (live action)" Superman projects are more contradictory to each other than you are saying, and they cannot be conflated. BUT I am also 100% for your arrangement of Clark Kent I and II and Mon El I and II, except in my case I make them out as two parallel father-and-son sets. That Kal-El has "Other Kent Parents" is due to an internal family shuffling of responsibilities at one time when the first Clark Kent had disappeared from the continuity (he was actually timetraveling then). That there is a continuity between the 1940s and 1950s Supermen I also agree, but it need not involve any shifting of chronology. Other characters (eg, Lois Lane) had aged somewhat between the two sets, and there is no problem if the Adventures of Superman represent the 1940s superman after some passage of time. Along with Chicago and Manhattan "Metropolises", though, you have some definite clues that some at least of the TV shows are taking place in California.

    I know you are allowing me my own universe so I can have my say there: in this case I am pointing out the particular parallels and contrasts between our arrangements which interest me. And I have it that while Lex Luthor and Eve Tessmacher had a daughter (who is one of my more important and popular characters), the daughter's mother's name was not directly identified as Eve Tessmacher. Instead, the Luthor child to bear the name of "Eve Tessmacher" (as two middle names) is the daughter of Lorelei Ambrosia who was fostered by Miss Tessmacher at an early age.She is very similar to Lex and Eve's actual daughter but is a distinct character: the two of them also team up on some adventures also including the mosy recent "Supergirl"

    I see mention of Laurel Gand taking off along with Mon-El but not a later mention to go with that first one. Perhaps I overlooked it.I have her as being the same as the Supergirl from the movie and the Smallville one as her daughter. This ignores the parallel career of "Clark Kent's Cousin Linda Lee (Danvers)" which must be already in existance before this "Supergirl" shows up on Earth.

    One of your entries has:"1973--SUPERMAN COMICS--Superman meets Popeye. This is not the Looniverse version of Popeye, but his Looniverse counterpart."
    I don't think you meant to write that the way it reads.

    I am in complete agreement with your statement about "Luthor Cousins, descendants of am original Luthor" involved in the later stories.

    You do make the statement that you do not feel the need to make up new names or geneologies for different secondary characters (such as when you have different Lois Lanes). To some extent, both of these things are not only necessary but vital for the reader to keep these things straight.Some form of cataloguing for the different secondary characters will always be needed.

    Good luck with your ongoing project,
    Best Wishes, Dale D.

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  5. In reverse order, do you think that people are going to get confused and think that one Lois is sleeping with every version of Superman?

    Yeah, the Popeye entry was meant to say "but his TVCU counterpart."

    Laurel Gand was the Supergirl of the film, because she's Lar Gand's cousin. Kara actually appears (and dies) in Superman/Aliens.

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  6. Hi there were you replying to me when you said multiple Supermen were sleeping with one Lois Lane? Because that is not what I said. What I said was that originally there was one Lois, or rather Lola Lane, one of the Lane Sisters, famous in movies, and that the other "Lois Lanes" were independantly using her name as a cover. One of these women was of greater than human nature because she seemed to possess some degree of invulnerability; she was repeatedly caught in cave-ins, collapsing buildings, and explosions and never got a scratch.in the comics this is the "Super" Lois Lane: I suspect she was well aware of the "Normal" Lois Lane (who was actually being Torchy Blaine, but then Lola Lane had played Torchy Blaine in the movies)-but not vice versa. Incidentally, as I have mentioned before, I have known two different women who were named Lois Lane in real life, as well as a Doris Day and an Elizabeth Taylor.

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  7. Hi, Dale. At no point was I referring to your blog at all, or any of your work. And at no point did I say multiple Supermen were sleeping with one Lois Lane. You are, however, the person I was referring to that said that I needed to further elaborate on the multiple Lois Lanes to avoid confusion, which I did, because it was a good suggestion.

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  8. This is like a poor man's "Wold Newton Universe", not even done well. I'm sorry, but there's just too much of an effort to make every version and every decade fit when it just doesn't. The Research and footnotes are solid. But What is the point?

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  9. The point is that connecting TV crossovers is fun, at least for some of us, and in the Television Crossover Universe, there have been several connections found that connect different versions of Superman to the same shared reality, using a six degrees of Lucy. And so this chronology is an attempt to explain away how various series all tied together via crossover connections could connect to different versions of Superman in different eras.

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