Thursday, May 5, 2011

Friday the 13th: The Blog of Jason Vorhees

This post is now updated to incorporate the Horror Crossover Encyclopedia, but I have kept the original timeline format.  

A modified goalie mask sits in the foreground, with a split on the top right (viewer perspective) corner of the mask. Through the eye holes an image of a lake and boat dock can be seen, shaded in a red tone. A small boy stands on the dock. The words "Friday the 13th: From Crystal Lake to Manhattan - Ultimate Edition DVD Collection" appear in the bottom right corner of the image.The words "Friday the 13th" appear in large block letters on a black background. The text is shown busting through a pane of glass. A caption on the top of the image reads: "From the producers of The Last House on the Left comes the most terrifying film ever made!"

I've already made mention of Jason Vorhees in my blogs regarding Freddy Krueger, Ash Williams, and Scooby-Doo.

As always please feel free to leave comments for me on what you thought I missed or got wrong.  I really love the feedback, and I do incorporate it in future blogs.  And I'll give you a plug.

1667--DEATH MOON--John D Lindsey Jr says:  In the Jason X novel DEATH MOON, a character recounts the story of Jebediah Voorhees, a wizard and ancestor of Jason in 1667 Salem, Mass., who possed a copy of the Necronomicon Ex Mortis until he disappeared. This would explain how it came into the possession of Pamela Voorhees, as seen in JASON GOES TO HELL and FREDDY VS JASON VS ASH.

January 1758--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  BAD LAND--From Wikipedia:   The series explores the history of Crystal Lake before Pamela and Jason Voorhees arrived.[127][128]Bad Land takes place in two time frames, the "present day" and 250 years before "present day". It follows three hikers in the present and three fur trappers in the past, each of whom is snowed in by a blizzard at Crystal Lake. Each group experiences similar events, suggesting that there is a connection between the two groups.[129] 

1930--Birth of Pamela Voorhees. Note that my background info for Jason comes from this Friday the 13th timeline.  Two alternate timelines can be found here and here.

1935--Camp Crystal Lake is opened.

1945--Pamela Voorhees is marrried to Elias Voorhees.  Note that Pamela's maiden name has never been revealed.

June 13, 1947--Birth of Jason Voorhees.  He is born deformed.

1954--Birth of Diana Voorhees.  Diana is Jason's half-sister.  Elias is the father of both, but they have different mothers.  Diana's mothers name has not been revealed.

October 1958--Jason Vorhees drowns in Crystal Lake, due to bullying by his campmates and the neglect of the teen camp counselors at Camp Crystal Lake.

June 13, 1959--Two camp counselors are murdered, but the killer is not found.

1960 to 1962--Fires prevent Camp Crystal Lake from reopening.

1963--Bad water prevents the camp from opening.

1972--Jessica Kimble is born, the daughter of Jason's sister, Diana (Voorhees) Kimball.

May 1979 Wonder Woman Battles Aliens Who Have Taken over the Town of Crystal Lake "The Boy Who Knew Her Secret: Parts 1 and 2
Early June 1979--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  PAMELA'S TALE--From Wikipedia:  The two issue comic book covers Pamela Voorhees' journey to Camp Crystal Lake and the story of her pregnancy with Jason as she recounts it to hitchhiker Annie, a camp counselor who is killed in the original film.[120] 

June 12 to 13, 1979--FRIDAY THE 13TH (FILM)

Release Date: May 9, 1980 (Setting is June 13, 1979)
Series: Friday the 13th
The Story: Teens get murdered at Camp Crystal Lake, the victims of Pamela Voorhees. In 1957, Pamela worked at the camp, and her deformed son drowned as a result of bullying peers and irresponsible counselors. In the end, Pamela is killed, and her son Jason is discovered to be alive.
Notes: There are lots of Friday the 13th timelines on the web, that place all of the films using valid reasoning, and yet seem to contradict each other. I even have one on my Television Crossover Universe website. Friday the 13th is brought in via the ninth film, Jason Goes to Hell, that crosses with A Nightmare on Elm Street, Evil Dead, and Creepshow. That is followed up by Freddy Vs. Jason, which I consider the modern equivalent to the great Universal horror crosses of the 1940s. This film has had several sequels, starting with Friday the 13th Part 2. There was a remake in 2009. The film has been referenced as fictional or as an homage numerous times in other films and on television. It has also been spoofed many times.

AUGUST 1979--FRIDAY THE 13TH PROLOGUE--Alice, the survivor of the June massacre, returns and finds Jason alive holding his mother's head, and Jason kidnaps Alice.

Summer 1982--Chris has a fight with her parents and runs out the cabin, where she is attacked by Jason and passes out.  She awakes in her room, and her parents won't speak of the matter.

July 10 to 11, 1984--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 2--Jason Voorhees is revealed to have survived his drowning and may be kept alive by some kind of supernatural means.

A man wearing a hockey goalie mask and holding a machete stands in a road at night. The scene is back-lit.

July 12 to 13, 1984--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART III--Two days later, more teens are slaughtered by Jason.

July 14 to 16, 1984--FRIDAY THE 13TH: THE FINAL CHAPTER--Twelve year old Tommy Jarvis kills Jason Vorhees.

Sometime after 1984--MOTHER GOOSE AND GRIMM--Jason appears twice.  Also note that he has appeared several times in both MAD and CRACKED MAGAZINES.

1985--In an attempt to distance itself from the "Camp Blood" reputation, Crystal Lake is renamed Forest Green.

1985 to 2006--Jason's killing continues in many video games.

Summer 1987--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART V:  A NEW BEGINNING--Tommy Jarvis, the survivor of the events of 1984, is institutionalized, and finds himself facing off against Roy Burns, an ambulance driver who after losing his son becomes a copycat of Jason Voorhees.

1987 to 1990--THE 13TH HOUR/FRIDAY THE 13TH:  THE SERIES--Two cousins must try to retrieve all the cursed objects sold from a cursed antique store.  Though the series seems to only be tied to the the movies in name only, in fact there was an intention that the hockey mask Jason wears has some connection to the antique store.

May 12 to 13, 1988--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VI:  JASON LIVES--Tommy, who had been institutionalized escapes and goes to Jason's grave to destroy his body, but instead accidentally aids in resurrecting him.

1989--THE RESURRECTION OF MICHAEL MYERS PART 2--At a wild party at a hospital, Michael Myers, Jason Vorhees, Leatherface, and a zombie all show up to cause mayhem.

July 28, 1989--THE ARSENIO HALL SHOW--Jason shows up on the set.

October 13, 1989--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VII:  THE NEW BLOOD PROLOGUE--Thirteen year old Tina Sheppard unintentionally kills her father with her telekinetic powers.  She is institionalized.

Release Date: October 1, 1991 (Contemporary Setting, prior to the events of Freddy’s Dead)
Series: A Nightmare on Elm Street
Horror Crosses: Halloween; Friday the 13th; Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Story: Freddy mentors a kid who wants to be a serial killer.

Notes: The kid checks out a book from the Springwood Library on serial killers. While it talks about real life killers, it also mentions Michael Myers, Jason Vorhees, and the Sawyer family.

1992--MTV MOVIE AWARDS--Jason Vorhees accepts a lifetime achievement award.

Release Date: October 1994 - July 1996 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Horror Crosses: Friday the 13th
The Story: Casey Jones and Raphael save a woman from an assassin, and get involved in her complications.

Notes: Jason Vorhees is seen at a diner in New York. Though it’s meant to be contemporary, it would make sense if this story happened during the events of Friday the 13th Part 8: Jason Takes Manhattan. This connects the Mirage Comics version of the Turtles. The film Turtles Forever reveals that every version of the Turtles exists in separate realities in the same multiverse. One of them may be in the main Horror Universe timeline while the other in a divergent timeline. I believe the version from IDW’s X-Files: Conspiracy to be the main Horror Universe version.
August 12 to 13, 1993--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VII:  THE NEW BLOOD--A telekinetic named Tina while under duress accidentally resurrects Jason.

Mid August 1993--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VIII:  JASON TAKES MANHATTAN--Apparently Crystal Lake connects to the Atlantic, as a cruise ship full of graduating seniors takes off from Crystal Lake to Manhattan.  Jason follows, and Tommy follows him.  Everyone is killed on the boat by Jason but Tommy and his new girlfriend, who are chased around the city by Jason.


Release Date: October 1995 to January 1996 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Friday the 13th; Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Story: Crystal Lake is drained to place an office building there, and Jason is among the contents shipped to Texas. Jason awakens, and ends up meeting the Sawyers, including the one called Leatherface.
Notes: Later stories would show the lake refilled, and no office building there. I suspect that this story takes place in a divergent timeline. First, in this story, Jason’s mother is named Doris rather than Pamela. If that was the only contradiction, I might overlook it, but additionally, by this point in time, as this is a contemporary setting, the Sawyer family of this story have been dead for a long time. This crossover still brings in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series, based on my rules for inclusion involving divergent timelines. . Though TCM is based on true events, it is so loosely based on true events that it’s pretty much pure fiction, thus able to be incorporated. Many of these slasher films have in recent years had remakes, but only the original film series are in the Horror Universe, up to but not including the reboots.


Release Date: August 13, 1993 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Friday the 13th
Horror Crosses: Evil Dead; Stephen King Universe; Creepshow; A Nightmare on Elm Street
The Story: The FBI finally figures out that there’s a killer at Camp Crystal Lake. Apparently his recent trip to New York City finally caught their attention. They surround him and blow him away. While his body lay in the medical examiner’s office, his spirit possesses someone, and transforms into another living version of Jason. Jason returns to the camp, and kills some more. Upon his death again, he is pulled into Hell by Fred Krueger!
Notes: This film is the ninth of the series, following Friday the 13th Part 8: Jason Takes Manhattan, and is followed next by Freddy Vs. Jason, as the ending alludes. Jason’s home contains the Necronomicon Ex Mortis from the Evil Dead series. This is later explained in the comic book Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Ash as a possible reason for Jason’s supernatural status. He also has the crate from the segment called the Crate from the film Creepshow, though no explanation is ever given for that. Evil Dead, the works of Stephen King, and A Nightmare on Elm Street are already all in the Horror Universe. This film’s crossovers bring Friday the 13th in as well. There are several timelines on the web that offer specific dates for the Friday the 13th films, and though they don’t all agree, they all seem to be based on valid analysis. This film is referenced as fictional and paid homage to numerous times in other films and on television. It has also been spoofed in Tales from the Crypt and Viernes 13.

Release Date: July 1993 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Satan’s Six
Horror Crosses: Friday the 13th
The Story: In Hell, Satan’s Six meet Jason Voorhees.

Notes: The Friday the 13th Wiki places this after the events of Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday. Satan’s Six is a team of agents from Hell who are sent to Earth to sow the seeds of chaos, but they aren’t very good at their jobs. The team was created by Jack Kirby in the 1970s for what was meant to be his own line of comics, which never came to fruition, until Topps got the rights to them and put out that line of Kirby Comics. This crossover brings Satan’s Six into the Horror Universe.

1994--FRIDAY THE 13TH YOUNG ADULT NOVELS--Different people keep finding Jason's mask, which possesses them when they wear it.

January 13, 1995--Stephanie Kimble is born.  She is Jason's great niece.  

Summer 1995--WES CRAVEN'S NEW NIGHTMARE--The dream demons return to their home dimension, that of Earth-Prime.  On Earth-Prime, the Nightmare on Elm Street series were fictional movies.  In fact, Wes Craven had been haunted by these demons, and found a way to trap them by creating Freddy Krueger.  By trapping them in this way, he sent them to the TV Crossover Universe, where they had to help Krueger.  But when Craven ended the series, the Demons were no longer trapped, and returned to Earth-Prime, where they haunted not only Craven, but the cast of the first Nightmare film.  Eventually, they are trapped once more, beginning with simple act of placing a cameo of Freddy's laugh and his claw at the end of a Friday the 13th film, thus keeping them trapped waiting for the idea of a team-up to come to fruition.  Thus the Demons come back to the TV Crossover Universe, and aid Krueger, though he is still at his lowest power point, lacking the fear or the souls to fuel him.


Release Date: October 16, 1998 (Contemporary Setting; one month after Child’s Play 3)
Series: Child’s Play
Horror Crosses: Friday the 13th; Halloween; A Nightmare on Elm Street; Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Story: Tiffany, the girlfriend of serial killer Charles Lee Ray, steals the doll and performs the ritual to place his soul back inside it. The plan is to find a human for Chucky to inhabit, but when the couple have a fight, Tiffany resolves not to help him. As revenge, he performs a ritual to trap her in a doll, knowing this will force her cooperation. And it does, as the two seek out a young couple to possess
Notes: Chucky is brought in by the Katrina Protocol. This film occurs between Child’s Play 3 and Seed of Chucky. At the evidence locker where the Chucky doll is kept, are also the masks of Jason Voorhees and Michael Myers, the glove of Freddy Krueger, and the chainsaw of Leatherface. This brings Halloween into the Horror Universe. The others have already been brought in. Even though it was meant as a quick prop gag, this quick film moment connected five of the most famous modern horror icons. This film has been referenced as fictional and paid homage to numerous times in other films and on television. It was also spoofed on the Roseanne Show.

2001 to 2009--BONEYARD # 1 - 28 (NBM)

Release Date: 2001 - 2009 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Boneyard
Horror Crosses: Frankenstein (Boneyard); Creature from the Black Lagoon; The Raven; The Screwtape Letters; Buffy the Vampire Slayer; Dracula (novel); Evil Dead; Frankenstein (novel); The Wolf Man; Zatanna; Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos; Friday the 13th; Hellboy (comics); King Ghidorah; Mothra; Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!
Non-Horror Crosses: The Tempest
The Story: Michael Paris inherits a graveyard inhabited by friendly monsters. Hilarity and adventure ensue.
Notes: One of the inhabitants is Brutus, who is a creature of the Frankenstein model. Brutus’ wife is a Gill-Woman named Nessie. Edgar is a raven who claims to have been the inspiration for Edgar Allan Poe’s story. The Boneyard has its own elected official, Mayor Wormwood. Mayor Wormwood is supposed to be Satan, but this Satan is kind of an idiot. I’ve stated elsewhere in this guide that not all appearances of the devil are the same guy. The name carries weight, and so it seems that many lesser demons may pose as the top dog. In the Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, Wormwood is a poor excuse for a demon who is eaten by his uncle. But of course, what happens when a demon dies? They return to Hell. So this may be the same Wormwood. The vampire named Abby seems to be of the vampiric variety seen on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Remember that in the Horror Universe, there are several strains of the “vampire virus”, which create varying types of vampires with different traits, strengths and weaknesses. Abby refers to Michael as her “Renfield”. That could be a pop culture reference, but considering the number of other horror crosses, and that Dracula is real in the Horror Universe, I’m inclined to count it. There are “Xandorian” demons which I believe to be an intentional misspelling of Kandorian demons from the Evil Dead series. Somebody refers to the original Dr. Frankenstein. That same person makes a reference to that guy with the stick which may be Larry Talbot, whose cane is famous. At a bar is Zatanna Zatara and a Gill-Man. An Old One appears, who is friendly! His name is Haz’aroth, which may be an intentional misspelling of Azathoth, but I’m not sure Azathoth would be so nice. Perhaps he’s a nicer guy around other monsters. Abby is hired by the government to stop a slasher at a summer camp called Camp Waterlake. Though the slasher turns out to really be Lilith, she has taken the form of Jason Voorhees. This isn’t the first time Camp Crystal Lake has changed its name. In the film series, it did so to try to avoid the bad reputation it has gained. When Abby has to attend a banquet for supernatural beings, she takes Michael as her date. The waiter is Ariel from Shakespeare’s the Tempest. Hellboy is in attendance. So are King Ghidorah and Mothra. The Space Kook is also there. Though the Space Kook was just a man in a mask in Scooby Doo, Where Are You!, most of those villains took on the identities of figures from legends and folklore. So this must be the real Space Kook that inspired the man in the mask who was exposed by Mystery, Inc.

2001--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  CHURCH OF THE DIVINE PSYCHOPATH--From Wikipedia:  Friday the 13th: Church of the Divine Psychopath has Jason resurrected by a religious cult.[99] 

2001--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  HELL LAKE--From Wikipedia:   In Friday the 13th: Hell Lake, a recently executed serial killer, Wayne Sanchez, persuades Jason to help him escape back to the real world.[100]

2001--HATE-KILL-REPEAT--From Wikipedia:  In Hate-Kill-Repeat, two religious serial killers attempt to find Jason at Crystal Lake, believing that the three of them share the same contempt for those that break the moral code.[101] 

2001--THE JASON STRAIN--From Wikipedia:  The Jason Strain places Jason on an island with a group of death row convicts—placed there by television executives running a reality game show—while a scientist attempts to create an age-retarding "super drug" from Jason's DNA. Instead, she creates a virus that reanimates the dead into zombies.[102] 

2001--CARNIVAL OF MANIACS--From Wikipedia:  The character of Pamela Voorhees returns from the grave in Carnival of Maniacs, and she searches for Jason, who is now part of a traveling sideshow and about to be auctioned off to the highest bidder.[103]


Release Date: August 13, 2003 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: A Nightmare on Elm Street; Friday the 13th
The Story: Freddy, having been banished to Hell after being defeated by his daughter, and being abandoned by the dream demons that left for another reality, finds that he still has power, but his power is only strong when he is feared, and he’s not strong enough to return to Springwood. But then Jason is killed once more, and returns to Hell, awaiting the moment where he will be resurrected again to continue his good work of punishing naughty teens. Freddy finds Jason and sends him back to Earth (by posing as his mother) and sends Jason to punish naughty kids in Springwood, starting at 1428 Elm Street. In Springwood, the adults have a policy to not speak of Fred Krueger, and children with bad dreams are sent off to a secret psych hospital where they are given the same drug once tested by Nancy Thompson to keep her from dreaming. Jason starts killing, and even though a rookie cop thinks this is a Jason Voorhees copycat, eventually rumors of Freddy spread and teens start having nightmares. Eventually, Freddy is back, but Jason won’t stop killing Freddy’s intended victims, thus causing the two to have to take each other out.
Notes: This is the Frankenstein vs. the Wolf Man for the modern generation, and films like this are what get me so excited about crossovers. There are tons of great Nightmare and Friday timelines out there on the internet that will contradict each other. Basically, though, Freddy was last seen in Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday, in a cameo that leads to the events of this film. Before that, he met his end in Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare. His dream demons had abandoned him in that film and went on to appear in Wes Craven’s New Nightmare, and then the remake of A Nightmare on Elm Street. New NIghtmare takes place in the fictionalized representation of “the real universe” which many call Earth-Prime. The Nightmare remake then occurs in yet another alternate reality that is part of the Horror Multiverse. Using that logic, other remakes that can’t be worked into the Horror Universe might be relegated to the same remake reality. Jason was last seen in Jason Goes to Hell: the Final Friday, and the ending of that film leads to this film. Their story continues in the comic book Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Ash. This film has been referenced as fictional and paid homage to numerous times in other films and on television. It has also been spoofed in Freddy vs. Ghostbusters, Tripping the Rift, and 30-Second Bunny Theatre.

Fall 2002--FRIDAY THE 13TH SPECIAL--From Wikipedia:  Siblings Miles and Laura Upland inherit Camp Crystal Lake. Knowing that Jason caused the recent destruction, Laura, unknown to her brother, sets out to kill Jason with a paramilitary group so that she and her brother can sell the property.[106] 

Late 2002--FIRSTJASON--Ari Lehman creates a rock band called FIRSTJASON.  Ari played Jason Voorhees in the first film based on the series of events at Camp Crystal Lake, but in his lyrics, he also reveals that he himself has encountered the real Jason Voorhees.

Winter 2003--COLD HEART OF CRYSTAL LAKE--Four teens encounter Jason.

Release Date: June 1 - September 1, 2010 (Setting is 2004 or slightly earlier, as this is Cassie’s first hunt)
Series: Hack/Slash
Horror Crosses: A Nightmare on Elm Street; Halloween; Friday the 13th; Spawn
The Story: The story of Cassie’s first hunt.
Notes: While researching slashers on the internet, Cassie reads of a man who kills in dreams in Ohio (Freddy Krueger of A Nightmare on Elm Street), a masked maniac who terrorizes a small town on Halloween (Michael Myers of Halloween), and a camp plagued for 30 years by a psycho who won’t die (Jason Vorhees of Friday the 13th). She also finds an article about Hellspawn, that includes a picture of Spawn.


Release Date: April 2004 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Hack/Slash
Horror Crosses: Friday the 13th; A Nightmare on Elm Street; Hellraiser
The Story: Cassie Hack and Vlad fight an undead slasher who controls an army of undead pets.
Notes: Cassie Hack is the daughter of a “slasher”, and has devoted her life to fighting them. Thus she has become an expert on them. In this story, she knows about notorious slashers such as Jason Voorhees (Friday the 113th), Freddy Krueger (A Nightmare on Elm Street), and Pinhead (Hellraiser).

2004--MICHAEL VS. JASON--Tommy Jarvis and Jamie Loyd try to set a trap for Michael Myers and Jason Vorhees.

June 2005--ROBOT CHICKEN--"Operation Rich in Spirit"--Usually I place Robot Chicken in it's own reality, but this one could fit and should.  Mystery, Inc. investigate Camp Crystal Lake and face Jason Vorhees.  Of course in the sketch, Jason kills everyone, and that wouldn't be how it would turn out in the TVCU.  So the basic premise fits, if not the actual story.  Note that the rest of the show is in the Robot Chicken Universe.  Note Scooby appears in another episode that is clearly in the Robot Chicken Universe only.

September 2005--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  BLOODBATH--From Wikipedia:  A group of teenagers come to Camp Tomorrow, a camp that sits on Crystal Lake, for work and a "party-filled weekend". The teenagers begin to discover that they share common family backgrounds and soon awaken Jason, who proceeds to kill them.[108]

June 2006--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  FEARBOOK--From Wikipedia:  Jason is captured and experimented upon by the Trent Organization. Jason escapes and seeks out Violet, the survivor of Friday the 13th: Bloodbath, whom the Trent Organization is holding in their Crystal Lake headquarters.[111]

July 2006--FRIDAY THE 13TH # 3 (WILDSTORM)

Release Date: April 1, 2007 (Contemporary Setting, a year after the Milkman Murders)
Series: Friday the 13th
Horror Crosses: The Milkman Murders
The Story: Jason kills teens at camp. What were you expecting?
Notes: One of the characters mentions the Milkman Murders from a year ago. The Milkman Murders was a comic book mini series about a housewife who goes crazy and kills her family.

August 2006--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  HOW I SPENT MY SUMMER VACATION--From Wikipedia:  The comic book provides insight into the psychology of Jason Voorhees as he befriends a boy born with a skull deformity.[124]


Release Date: March 2007 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Hack/Slash; Child’s Play
Horror Crosses: A Nightmare on Elm Street; Friday the 13th; Halloween; Zatara
The Story: Cassie Hack teams up with Chucky for a mutual cause.
Notes: In the story, Chucky compares himself (as being better) to Freddy (Krueger), Jason (Voorhees), and Michael (Myers). Cassie once again meets Laura Loch, who says her spells backwards just like John Zatara and his daughter Zatanna from DC Comics.


Release Date: January - June 2008 (Set during the Christmas season, five years after the events of Freddy vs. Jason)
Series: A Nightmare on Elm Street; Friday the 13th; Evil Dead
The Story: Ash gets transferred to the Crystal Lake S-Mart for the holiday season, and the origins behind the connections to Freddy, Jason, and the Necronomicon ex Mortis are revealed.

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January 2008--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  BAD LAND--From Wikipedia:   The series explores the history of Crystal Lake before Pamela and Jason Voorhees arrived.[127][128]Bad Land takes place in two time frames, the "present day" and 250 years before "present day". It follows three hikers in the present and three fur trappers in the past, each of whom is snowed in by a blizzard at Crystal Lake. Each group experiences similar events, suggesting that there is a connection between the two groups.[129] 

April 2008--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  ABUSER AND THE ABUSED--From Wikipedia:  The story involves a teenager named Maggie tricking her abusive boyfriend into travelling to Crystal Lake, where she plans to murder him, but she encounters Jason shortly after arriving at the camp.[130] 


Release Date: April 13, 2012 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Cabin in the Woods
Horror Crosses: Alien; Half-Life; Evil Dead; Poltergeist; Frankenstein (Universal); Child’s Play; Creature from the Black Lagoon; Corpse Bride; Killer Klowns from Outer Space; Stephen King Universe; Killjoy; Devil’s Rejects; Clownhouse; Drive Thru; Funhouse; Amusement; Circus of Fear; Clown Camp; Demonic Toys; Demons; Night of the Demons; Supernatural; Charmed; Gremlins; Ghoulies; Creeps; Troll; Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde; Frankenstein (novel); Dr. Giggles; The Human Centipede; House on Haunted Hill; The Dead Pit; Buffy the Vampire Slayer; The Strangers; Underworld; Attack of the 50 Foot Woman; Troll Hunter; Anaconda; Python; Mega Snake; Snakes on a Plane; Resident Evil; Hellraiser; Cannibal Holocaust; Creepshow; Legend of Sleepy Hollow; Attack of the Jack-O-Lanterns; Pumpkinhead; Frankenfish; The Mummy! Or a Tale of the Twenty-Second Century; The Mummy (Universal); The Hills Have Eyes; Wrong Turn; Chernobyl Diaries; 28 Days Later; Signal; the Works of Quentin Tarantino; Left 4 Dead; Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos; Re-Animator (film); Siren; The Exorcist; The Exorcism of Emily Rose; Reptillicus; Jurassic Park; Abomidible Bigfoot; The Legend of Boggy Creek; Ape Canyon; Curse of Bigfoot; Night of the Bloody Apes; Wendigo; Night Beasts; Night of the Scarecrow; Scarecrows; Husk; Scarecrow Gone Wild; The Scarecrows Walk at Midnight; The Town that Dreaded Sundown; The Craft; Witches of Eastwick; Hocus Pocus; Jack Frost; Hellboy (film); Rumplestilskin; Lephrechaun; Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters; Gingerbread Man; The Vampyre; Dracula (novel); Nosferatu; The Wolf Man; An American Werewolf in London; The Howling; Wolf; Texas Chainsaw Massacre; Friday the 13th; Night of the Living Dead; Return of the Living Dead; F.E.A.R.; The Blob; Feast; Horrors of the Wendigo; Frostbiter; Ghost; Bram Stoker’s Dracula (film); The Cyclops; Cyclops Giant; Nightbreed; Leeches!; Attack of the Giant Leeches; Rows of Teeth; The Birds; Killing Birds; Birdemic: Shock and Terror; Silent Hill; Attack of the Killer Lane Gnomes; Alligator; Lake Placid; Them!; Legion of Fire: Killer Ants!; Ants; Empire of the Ants; King Kong; Centipede Horror; The Giant Claw; The Ring; Attack of the Giant Gila Monster; The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms; Tarantula; Eight Legged Freaks; Jaws; Frogs; Lord of Darkness; House of the Dead; The Grudge; Chopping Mall; BlinkyTM; The Kraken; Kraken: Tentacles of the Deep; Octopus; The Beast; Deep Rising; It Came From Beneath the Sea; Tentacles; Eye of the Beast; Mega Shark; Giant Octopus; Castle Freak; Tokyo Gore Police; Septic; Mutants; Ogre; Blood Pool; Legend of the Ogre; Killing Floor; Little Shop of Horrors; The Breed; Hatchet; Phantasm; See No Evil; Thinner; Monster House; Attila; Dead Snow; Frankenstein’s Army; Manhunt; The Monster in the Closet; Killer Eyes; Demomata; CSP-682; Parasite Eve 2; Dead Space; Night of the Lepus; Creature from the Haunted Sea; Tremors; Hostel; The Collection; The Butcher; Dead Rising; My Bloody Valentine; The Exterminator; Willard; War of the Worlds; Signs; Lollipop Chainsaw; Ghost Ship; Curse of the Pirates; Jolly Roger; Lead Soldiers; Vampire Vikings; The Witch; Blair Witch Project; The Village; The Thing; Vampire Breath; Goosebumps; Angel; King Cobra
Non-Horror Crosses: Harry Potter; Wizard of Oz; Great Expectations; Batman; Labyrinth; Land of the Giants; The Wrath of Paul Bunyan; Dreamscape; Last of the Mohicans; Blood Meridian; Scalps; Savage Sam; Sin City; Kevin Spencer; We Need to Talk About Kevin; Jacob’s Ladder; Doctor Who; Black Swan; Pan’s Labyrinth; Nutcracker; Blade Hunter; The Chronicles of Narnia; Time Bandits; The Princess and the Frog; Pirates of the Caribbean; Futurama; The Incredible Shrinking Man; Pee-Wee’s Playhouse; Red Planet; Terminator; Zathura; Hardware; Robot Wars; Bacterial Contamination; Firefly; Clash of the Titans; Team Fortress; Man from Planet X; Starship Troopers; Silence of the Lambs/Hannibal; Twisted Metal
The Story: A group of teens head out for a weekend in a cabin in the woods, not knowing that they have been chosen as sacrifices to an ancient deity in order to save the world from his wrath.
Notes: This film exposes the secret truth behind modern horror. Behind it all is a secret organization, chosen to sacrifice youth to ancient gods. All of the above named crossovers have been linked in this film, and revealed to be part of this secret conspiracy. Most of the crossovers above come from the monsters and artifacts contained in the facility. While some of the monsters and artifacts are clearly from certain films above, many are based on certain types of horror films, in which case I included the more well-known of these film types. I recommend the well-researched Cabin in the Woods Wiki for a more detailed listing of the monsters and their inspirations. Note that I included in the above crossovers some monsters that only appeared in the official novelization and the official Universal Theme Park attraction tie-in. With this film, I break one of my major rules of crossover connecting. Though some of the crosses are direct crosses, like Evil Dead and Left 4 Dead, most of them are only connected because the films represent the more well-known films of the trope from which a certain monster comes. Normally, I would not count something that is “like something from”, but there is dialogue within the film that makes me break my rule. In one scene, referring to the monsters, security officer Daniel Truman says “They’re like something from a nightmare.” Lin, a head scientist, responds, “No, they’re something nightmares are from.” She goes on to explain that these monsters are the creations of the Ancient Ones, having been around since the beginning, and different cultures have told stories that interpret them in different ways. Thus, in the instance of this film, “like” is enough because of the author’s intent. And thus my love/hate relationship with Joss Whedon, for expanding the Horror Universe dramatically but making me do a lot of work to write this entry. Note that this film ends with the start of an apocalypse, so the end must veer into a divergent timeline. We must presume in the main Horror Universe, the virgin shot the fool. And if you haven’t seen the movie, that last sentence probably seems very bizarre. This film has been referenced as fictional in South Park, The Cinema Snob, Scary Movie 5, and Doc of the Dead. It is also paid homage to in Red Dawn when Chris Hemsworth and his friends once more wind up in a cabin in the woods. The film has also been spoofed in Robot Chicken and Scary Movie 5.

2008--THE MONSTER SQUAD 2--Ivan Ronald Schablotski says:  Gotta be honest, the story of IT using the grown up kids from MONSTER SQUAD fighting Freddy, Jason, Michael, and Chucky, in Amityville, with Ash from Housewares thrown in... plus Romero zombies; I could totally see that happening. One of the rare fan-made movies I'd actually want to watch.

2008--JASON X--Ivan Ronald Schablotski says:  Scranton has zombies, as evidenced in DIARY OF THE DEAD (speaking of, today's George Romero's birthday). There was also a secret government installation in Scranton in 2008 to immobilize and study the undying slasher Jason Voorhees, as per JASON X.


Release Date: August 2009 - January 2010 (Contemporary Setting, six months after Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash)
Series: A Nightmare on Elm Street; Friday the 13th; Evil Dead
The Story: Six months after Ash battled arguably the two most infamous slashers, Jason comes back for revenge, while the U.S. government brings back Freddy using the Necronomicon ex Mortis.
Notes: This is an official part of the canon, but in this story, many members of congress get slaughtered in public which would out the supernatural to the world. We really stretch things with alien invasions and giant apes and such, but it’s easier to believe in the days before cyberspace that these things can be covered up and people will choose to deny they happened. But in the modern age, it’s harder for these things to happen and still have other stories where people don’t believe in monsters. Thus, I’m going to assume that this story falls perhaps in the same divergent timeline as the Buffy Season 8 comics, which is a world where vampires have been outed and become celebrities, and where Los Angeles went to Hell and everyone in the city remembers. Having said this, if one were to desire keeping this story in the main timeline, I suppose it is plausible that after the fact, the events might have been covered up by the government as a terrorist attack.

July 2008--FRIDAY THE 13TH--More teens are slaughtered by Jason.  Even though this is meant as a reboot, in my opinion it fits in just fine as a sequel. Crazy Ivan said... With this in mind, I then put the new F13 movie in that same month (it had to be in the summer, so it should have been before the Feb 09 release), and I assume that the characters Clay Miller (played by Jared Padalecki) is actually Sam Winchester, who is monster-hunting solo that summer while his brother is in Hell. Sam Winchester uses aliases all the time, and his trip to Crystal Lake could have been to find the daughter of a fellow hunter.  In the TVCU, same actor / same character would be impossible, but there are a few cases where I still support it. Clay Miller is not likely to be a reoccuring character, and his use as a guise for Sam Winchester allows me to fill in part of the time that Sam was hunting monsters alone, so I support it. The only other example I can recall would be Bill Maxwell, the agent who helped Ralph Hinkley use the super-suit. I feel justified in thinking of Bill as an identity used by agent Kelly Robinson.


Release Date: June 2010 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Dexter; Friday the 13th; Hack/Slash
The Story: While Dexter stalks Jason, Cassie stalks Dexter.
Notes: Allie and Seeley created this one page and released it to promote other works. This was never in an officially published comic book nor authorized by any publisher. However, since Seeley is the creator of Hack/Slash, I’d say it counts as canon. Therefore, Dexter is brought into the Horror Universe, but as a non-horror series. Yes, he’s a serial killer, but that alone doesn’t necessarily make the series horror.

Dexter vs. Jason vs. Hack/Slash

2010--ZAAG 3--Five guys are hunted by Jason.

2011--FREDDY VS. JASON VS. ASH FAN FILM--Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees team up to seek revenge on Ash Williams. Lucy's haunting nightmares of Freddy resurface as he persuades her to read from the Necronomicon while Jason terrorizes Lucy's friends, leading them to the sacred ceremonial ground.  (Is this the same plot as the comic, or an original story, Ivan?)  This would mean that the dream demons either returned to the TVCU, or else Freddy no longer needs them.

October 2011--THE NIGHTMARE ENDS ON HALLOWEEN II--Freddy, Jason, Michael, Leatherface,and Pinhead.


Release Date: November 27, 2012 (Contemporary Setting)
Series: Nathaniel Cade
Horror Crosses: A Nightmare on Elm Street; Friday the 13th; Psycho
The Story: Nathaniel Cade is a vampire under the service of the U.S. President. During the 2012 campaign race, an old foe of Cade returns. He is the Boogeyman.
Notes: The Boogeyman claims to have had a behind the scenes influence on Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, Norman Bates, the Zodiac Killer, and the Son of Sam. The first three are from A Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, and Psycho, respectively. The Zodiac Killer and Son of Sam are real life serial killers. This crossover brings Nathaniel Cade, the President’s Vampire, into the Horror Universe. This crossover also brings in the Psycho films. The Boogeyman comes from folklore (and your closet), and thus does not count for crossovers. There are numerous versions of the legendary monster under your bed in the Horror Universe. Whether they are all just one creature or numerous is unknown.

Release Date: August 3, 2012
Horror Crosses: Hellraiser; Friday the 13
Non-Horror Crosses: Transformers Animated
The Story: A creature called the Hodag is stealing jewelry.
Notes: The puzzle box from Hellraiser is seen in the sheriff's office and Pinhead’s voice is heard. Jason Voorhees’ hockey mask is also seen in the cabinet of curiosities. Sari Sumdac appears in a flashback. She is a character from Transformers Animated. In the main Horror Universe timeline, IDW’s “steampunk” version of Transformers exists, but apparently in this divergent timeline, Transformers Animated is the version that exists.

The Possible Near Future--FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 2--Jason returns to kill more teens.

Also in the Possible Near Future--CRYSTAL LAKE CHRONICLES--A group of teens have to deal with living in the town of Crystal Lake, famous for it's slasher, who occasionally appears.

January 2017--Ash has another fight against the evil dead...and maybe Freddy and Jason.

Then, after that...--JASON X PROLOGUE--Jason is finally apprehended by the government, and they sentence him to death, but find it difficult to carry that out.  The Crystal Lake Research Facility is created to house Jason.  After studying him, they decide to place him in cryogenic suspended animation.  Jason breaks free and kills the staff, except for the project leader, who manages to freeze Jason at the sacrifice of having to freeze himself as well.

2455--JASON X--Jason is found floating in space by a ship full of teenagers on a field trip.  He is resurrected and merges with the ship to become a cyborg zombie.

2455--JASON X SPECIAL--Wikipedia:  Picking up after the events of the Jason X film, Jason is now on Earth 2 where a bioengineer, Kristen, attempts to subdue him in hopes that she can use his regenerative tissue to save her own life and the lives of those she loves.[109]

2455--FRIDAY THE 13TH:  JASON VS. JASON X--Wikipedia:  The story takes place after the events of the film Jason X, where a salvage team discovers the spaceship Grendel and awakens a regenerated Jason Voorhees. The "original" Jason and Über-Jason, a version of Jason with mechanical limbs, are drawn into a battle to the death.[110]   Me:  This one confuses me, because I thought Jason Voorhees was the being that was transformed into Jason X.  I think this would have worked better as a time travel story.

2455--JASON X:  THE EXPERIMENT--Wikipedia:  The Jason X series consisted of four sequels to the 2005 adaptation. The first to be published was Jason X: The Experiment, which saw the government attempting to exploit Jason's indestructibility to create an army of "super soldiers".[95] 

2455--PLANET OF THE BEAST--Wikipedia:  The second novel,Planet of the Beast, follows the efforts of Dr. Bardox and his crew as they try to clone a comatose Jason and stay alive when Jason awakens.[96] 


Release Date: November 29, 2005 (Setting is the 25th Century)
Series: Friday the 13th
Horror Crosses: Evil Dead
The Story: Following the events of Jason X, Jason winds up in a all-girl reform school. Jason and bad girls.
Notes: In a flashback story, it’s told that Jebediah Voorhees was a wizard in 1667 Salem, and an ancestor of Jason, who had been in possession of the Necronomicon ex Mortis. This would explain its later appearance in Crystal Lake. Note that Jason X and its tie in novels are but one of many possible futures of the Horror Universe.

2455--TO THE THIRD POWER--Wikipedia:  The final novel, To The Third Power, is about the discovery of a Jason clone underneath a prison.[98]

Release Date: July 1992 (Setting is Contemporary and 2692)
Series: Bill & Ted
Horror Crosses: Friday the 13th
Non-Horror Crosses: El Santo; 2001: A Space Odyssey; Looney Tunes; Illuminatus Trilogy
The Story: When a student needs help with his history paper, he abducts Bill & Ted and makes them take him back to some historical dudes. They take those historical dudes to a mall, just as Bill & Ted once did to pass their own history report. This time, however, they go to a mall in the year 2692.

Notes: Jason Vorhees is seen in mall jail. This must be Jason two centuries after the events of Jason X, having still survived. Ted wears an El Santo shirt and mentions El Santo versus the Vampire Women. This could be a pop culture reference, but El Santo is established to have had adventures against the supernatural in the Horror Universe. The mall’s information center is a monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey. An assassin uses an Acme brand rifle. Though Looney Tunes as seen on the screen is fictional in the Horror Universe, Acme is a real company in the Horror Universe, implied to be the inspiration for the cartoon counterpart. Historical dude George Washington tries to brainwash people using the word “fnord”. This is a reference to the Illuminatus Trilogy.


BONGO UNIVERSE--In this reality, as portrayed on FAMILY GUY, Jason Voorhees lives in Quahog.  He is very nice, polite, well-mannered and articulate.  He is an environmental enthusiast and manages a clothing store.  Oh, and he's a psychopathic killer.

CHASING JASON--A girl goes on a blind date with Jason.  This is a self contained universe.  It can't fit in with the TVCU because of the premise.

IMAGINATIONLAND--This is the reality where all fictional characters of the Bongo Universe exist, as well as fictional version of real characters.  In this reality, the villains are kept separate from everyone else, until the wall is broken and they are set looks.  Jason is amongst them.  Jason in this reality of effeminate and squeamish.  

ROBOT CHICKEN UNIVERSE--Jason is part of a slasher version of BIG BROTHER, with house mates Michael Myers (HALLOWEEN), Freddy Krueger (A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET), Leatherface (TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE), Pinhead (HELLRAISER), and Ghostface (SCREAM).  Note that all of these characters do exist in the TVCU with the exception of Ghostface who exists in the DC Universe.  This can't fit in the TVCU due to the ridiculousness of the premise.  Jason appears in another episode where we see his typical days on Thursday the 12th and Saturday the 14th.

TREEHOUSE OF HORROR--In this multiverse of alternate versions of THE SIMPONS, in one such reality, Jason and Freddy are sitting on the Simpsons' couch waiting for the family to arrive, but they aren't showing up.


  1. You are correct that Crystal Lake feeds into the Atlantic, The 1st movie showed that Crystal Lake is very close to Hope, NJ. Hope is in Warren County, so Crystal Lake should be in either Warren or Hunterdon County (Morris County is too inland to be an option). I prefer Hunterdon as the location, personally, but either allows for Crystal Lake to feed the Delaware River, which empties into the Delaware Bay, and then of course becomes part of the Atlantic. So the party boat has to travel around the west, south, and east coasts of NJ... or just head upstream instead, and hit New York that way.

  2. As to Jason vs Jason X... Jason X was a cyborg created out of the remains of Jason when he was destroyed onboard the Grendel. The premise behind the fight is that the REST of the remains of Jason Vorhees eventually reformed and healed on their own, recreating the original Jason.

  3. Regarding Ash/Jason/Freddy continuity, the original crossover states it takes place at the height of thei Christmas Season, so it has to be placed in December. There's really no room to play with that, as the only reason Ash is in New Jersey is to help the local S-Mart get ready for the holiday rush. So I place it in December 2007, with FvJvA: Nightmare Warriors happening in July 2008. The second crossover has Jason receive a new, live body, as opposed to the uber monster undead body he's had since F13p4.

    With this in mind, I then put the new F13 movie in that same month (it had to be in the summer, so it should have been before the Feb 09 release), and I assume that the characters Clay Miller (played by Jared Padalecki) is actually Sam Winchester, who is monster-hunting solo that summer while his brother is in Hell. Sam Winchester uses aliases all the time, and his trip to Crystal Lake could have been to find the daughter of a fellow hunter.

    The end of FvJvA2 also suggests the creation of a new taskforce to capture / study Jason, which places this story before the capture of Jason by government forces in 2008, as per the prologue in Jason X.

  4. Another bit of Jason crossover goodness involves Jason's ancestors, as per the novel Jason X: Death Moon.

    Here's the relevant paragraph from wikipedia:

    Elias [Jason's father] is mentioned in the novel Jason X: Death Moon by Black Flame. Here, Elias is described as being little more than a hillbilly, whose great-great-great-grandfather Jebediah Voorhees was a warlock who lived in Salem, Massachusetts and possessed the Necronomicon Ex-Mortis. In the year 1667 on Samhain, the townsfolk living near Jebediah, believing him to be responsible for the disappearance of several local girls, burned his mansion to the ground with him inside, though after the fire no body was ever found. After Jebediah was supposedly killed the Necronomicon was passed down to Elias, who uncovered it one day while searching for kindling. After accidentally using the Necronomicon to summon a demon, which proceeded to possess the then unborn Jason, Elias attempted to use the book to become a warlock himself, with minimal success. The authenticity of this story remains in doubt, as the character who tells the story admits that "that's just one version of what happened".

  5. What is the source for Michael vs Jason, and the 2017 fight that may involve Freddy vs Jason vs Ash?

  6. Michael vs. Jason:

    Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash: This came from Wikipedia, based on a film that is more of an idea right now. Several scripts have been written, but nothing that has been satisfactory. I placed in in 2017 based on Sam Raimi's statement that it is several years away from being made. He made the statement in 2010. Several translates to seven when I come up with dates. I actually tried to find the link for you, but it seems all the information about possible future films has been removed. Blurgh.

  7. And great information about Jason's background. It will definitely be in my updates next year on both my Jason and Evil Dead blogs.

  8. I can't change the date for Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash (comic) because it's Win's date, and one of my rules is that Win's book is my starting point. The other dates I can move.

    I changed the dates for Jason X only because it takes place in the (near future), and with other Jason appearances after 2008, that has to push that further into our near future.

    I'm not one for same actor principle, so it's hard for me to make the Supernatural connection.

    Knowing now that Jason occupied a new body in FvJvA, makes things more convenient for me with all of the comic and novel appearances.

  9. And I see now regarding Jason vs. Jason X. He kind of split into two separate regenerated beings.

  10. No idea why Win would place a Christmas story in the Spring, but the fact that it is winter is fairly relevant to the story. Still, this is the TVCU, so your rules, obviously. I can only assume Win did not read the comic itself and simply went by the date of publication.

    I keep the date of 2008 for Jason's capture intact, becauseJason has already demonstrated the ability to body swap, as per Jason Goes To Hell. Should Jason make anymore canonical appearences, especially ones that do not jive with Jason's original timeline, I will assume that Jason managed to possess a new body while frozen cryogenically.

    In the TVCU, same actor / same character would be impossible, but there are a few chases where I still support it. Clay Miller is not likely to be a reoccuring character, and his use as a guise for Sam Winchester allows me to fill in part of the time that Sam was hunting monsters alone, so I support it. The only other example I can recall would be Bill Maxwell, the agent who helped Ralph Hinkley use the super-suit. I feel justified in thinking of Bill as an identity used by agent Kelly Robinson.

  11. I was already aware of the movie scripts, but it had already been decided by all parties that no FvJvA movie would be coming when they did the 1st comicbook, which was actually adapted from one of the proposed scripts. Yes, there may be a new Evil Dead movie someday, but there will not be a movie with Ash fighting Freddy and/or Jason.

    In 2003 this was a potential go:

    but by 2004 Bruce Campbell has completely shut the idea down

  12. Since the date seems to matter to the story, I will change it in future updates. Not the first time I disagreed with the "good book" as Win placed Family Guy in the CU, and I had to think a long time about that before choosing not to place it in the TVCU.

    And I'm not opposed to same actor principle should there be enough proof. For instance, I think Buffy Summers appears in She's All That, because the school that is not named in the film is the same building used as Sunnydale High, Sarah Michelle Gellar appears in the cafeteria, unnamed, not part of the storyline, and not untrue to her Buffy role, and the film aired when the show was on the air.

    I certainly will mention the Supernatural connection when I do my updates and when I cover Supernatural. (Actually, you've been giving me a lot of good stuff for Supernatural.) I'll also mention your I Spy/GAH connection when I cover those shows.

    I like connections with evidence, but as you can see, I also throw in "apocrypha" like potential future projects, fan films, some fan fic, ect. I've even referenced people's speculations. I used Dennis' Immortal Befuddled and Chuck's Children of the Night. And just recently, my Fantasy Island blog covered my own speculations, but also included the speculations of Thom Holbrook and Toby O'Brien, as other possible alternative explanations.

    It is my rules, but the great thing about that is I can be persuaded to change my reality when there's a good argument.

  13. My article on the Talbot werewolves relies a lot on Dennis' and Chuck's works, but it does differ from their findings. Usually when this happens I try to come up with a reason I came to different results than they did, such as new evidence arising, or old evidence disappearing (I used Hurricane Katrina for that one a lot).