Sunday, July 31, 2011

The Devil You Say! Lucifer and Satan in the TVCU

The Devil exists in the TVCU, but his presence can be confusing.  First, the Devil of the TVCU is not the same as the Devil of other realities, just as I believe the God of the TVCU must be a doppelganger of the one true God of our reality?  Why?  If there were just one God for the whole multiverse, then that would mean the writers of Bruce Almighty have the power to control God!!!  Since I don't think they do, it must be that when the multiverse was created at the dawn of time, powerful, yet not as powerful as the original, doppelgangers must have been created, who then created their existences.

So in the TVCU, Lucifer Morningstar was one of God's top angels in Heaven, until Lucifer refused to put man on a pedestal and rebelled against God.  A massive war was fought, but in the end, Lucifer and his army were banished to a Hell dimension (there are many) where they were transformed into demons.

Hell became a realm where some evil men went when they died.  They were to be punished for eternity or until they served their penance.

Besides ruling Hell and being a prison warden of sorts, Lucifer, now calling himself Satan, had an additional job given to him by God.  You see, God gave men free will.  But in order to be able to choose to be good, there has to be the alternative choice.  And that was Satan's job.  Satan had to corrupt souls and pull them to Hell.  He could do so with simple temptations, double talk, and such.  He also had the ability to give one their heart's desire in exchange for their soul.  And he additionally would go around from time to time creating chaos and discord.

Not all who claim to be the Devil really is.  Satan is very powerful, but not all powerful, and needs his demons to do his work as well.  Sometimes they do work in his name, something he authorizes since his name carries weight.  Demons also will haunt and possess, and sometimes just go on killing sprees.  Not all demons are working for Satan though.  Some manage to come to Earth on their own and work on their own behalf.

There are other beings who get confused for Satan, such as the First or the Source.  This is because as I said before there are more than one Hell Dimension with it's own demons and rulers.

Sometimes Satan has children with humans, which are sometimes referred to as "Anti-Christ".  His demons also have children with humans.  This kind of cross breeding is what may have created vampires.

So now that I've said all that, on to the timeline.  (I expect James will correct and/or add to this at some point with his own research.)

It should be noted finally that Satan can alter his appearance based on the situation or his mood.  So his alternate appearances can be explained by that.

Ivan adds to these comments:  There are so many contradictory Lucifers / Devils / Satans out there, I consider them to be associates of each other, even if they are also aspects of the same big bad. And of course I consider the Lovecraft Mythos to be the source of many of the 'Elder Gods' from the Buffyverse (Illyria, Glorificus, etc) and I always pictured the Senior Patners as Outer Gods (or at least one of them; Nyarlothotep).


Billions of year ago?--FANTASY ISLAND--"The Angel's Triangle"--Mr. Roarke meets and befriends Uriel, the Angel of Death.  There are actually multiple angels of death serving God.  Uriel is but one of them.  Mr. Rourke also meets Lucifer.

1279 B.C.--XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS--"Heart of Darkness"--In the episode "Heart of Darkness" from season 6 of Xena: Warrior Princess, Lucifer is seen as a fallen archangel, after Xena causes him to commit all seven deadly sins. After his transformation into Satan, she promptly shoves him into a portal to Hell, taking the place of former leader of Hell, Mephistopheles, whom Xena had killed.  I know this entry makes no sense.  Eventually, when I cover Xena in her own series, I will either make her a time traveler, or attribute her adventures to a series of reincarnations.  Because honestly this would fit better perhaps around 52,000 BC.  

December 1476--DRACULA VS. KING ARTHUR--Lucifer sends Dracula back in time to battle King Arthur during the time of Camelot.

1841--THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER--"I've debated Daniel Webster, And you, sir, are no Daniel Webster."--The Devil on 'Reaper'

1477--DRACULA UNBORN (AKA BLOODRIGHT:  MEMOIRS OF MIRCEA, SON TO DRACULA) (NOVEL BY PETER TREMAYNE)--After the “death” of Vlad, his son Mircea returns home to find things amiss.  He doesn’t believe in vampires, but soon finds his brothers are indeed vampires.  Countess Bathory comes to wed one of the vampire brothers, but Mircea falls for her as well.  This Dracula, also named Vlad, is Egyptian, thus not the legendary Dracula.  My notes elsewhere in this blog (and in the upcoming book by me called the HORROR CROSSOVER UNIVERSE) explain that he was leader of a cult that worshipped Satan, and was turned by Satan to act as one of his emissaries on Earth.  Countess Bathory appears as a major character in the story.  Bathory was a real historical figure, who lived between 1560 - 1614.  Apparently, she loved to bathe in human blood, believing it extended her life and beauty.  This gave her a reputation as a vampire, and in fiction, she is often portrayed as such.  Since she is a real historical person, with so many different variations out there, I do not count her for bringing in inclusions, nor do I consider every appearances she has made in fiction to be valid.  In fact, there are many contradictory tales. This story, though, does explain how she came to be titled Countess Dracula, a name she often is referred by.

December 1861 - June 1862--REVENGE OF DRACULA (NOVEL BY PETER TREMAYNE)--A tale of Dracula in England. This is not Stoker’s Dracula, nor is is Armand Tesla.  This “Dracula” comes from a very ancient Egyptian cult that worships a dragon.  As I’ve stated elsewhere in this book, Dracula literally means “Son of the Dragon”, and in fact, in biblical terms, dragon is a metaphor for Satan.  While most vampires are turned by another vampire, Draculas are a special type of vampire chosen and turned by Satan himself, thus earning the name Dracula.  This is the Egyptian Dracula, for lack of a better name.  He is brought in due to his connection with the Wolf Man.  The Wolf Man Talbot does not appear, but rather the famous poem “Even he who is pure of heart / And says his prayers at night / May become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms / And the moon is full and bright” is mentioned, and since this occurs before the making of movies, this must be a reference that both coexist.  This book is written as if it was a journal written by Dr. Hugh Strickland, a character who later appears in The Vengeance of She.  This brings in the She novels of H. Rider Haggard, but since they are not related to Horror, they won’t be expanded upon.

1874—Alice’s Journey Beyond the Moon; R. J. Carter & Lucy Wright
Alice travels to the Wonderlandian moon and has a series of uninteresting adventures. While there, she meets her old friends the Mad Hatter and the March Hare, but they are operating incognito for some unknown reason. She also encounters Achilles and the Tortoise from Carroll’s piece “What the Tortoise Said to Achilles.” At present it is unclear how the pair came to be on the Wonderlandian moon.   
There is one disturbing effect to the acknowledgement that this novel is part of the Television Crossover Universe (TVCU). This novel is seen in Dream’s library in Neil Gaiman’s comic series The Sandman, and thus the events of the Sandman comic series is drawn into the TVCU as Alice’s Journey Beyond the Moon exists in both universes. A number of other crossovers exist that strongly suggest that The Sandman exists within the confines of the TVCU. In the Sandman storyline The Kindly Ones, Dream (the protagonist) meets with some allies in the Wood Between Worlds, a place which originally appeared in C. S. Lewis’ The Magician’s Nephew. In the Doctor Who novel Happy Endings, which Win Scott Eckert wolds in Volume Two of Crossovers, the version of Death from the Sandman comics attends Bernice Summerfield’s wedding. In Simon R. Green’s Drinking Midnight Wine (which is wolded through a host of other internal crossovers, as well as by being a spin-off of sorts to the already wolded Nightside novels), Death has a long conversation with Toby Dexter after he takes a bullet to the head (he got better). The Magdalene Grimoire, from the first issue of Sandman, appears in the Angel episode “Hell Bound.”  Some questionable crossovers with the Sandman also exist. Rhys Thomas’ The Suicide Club, which is supposedly a semi-sequel to Robert Lewis Stevenson’s Suicide Club stories, features several appearances by “Death of the Endless.” Versions of Dream and Death appear in Planetary #7, there are a number of continuity differences between Planetary and the TVCU, but according to the research of Jess Nevins. Destiny is very similar to Lord Dunsany’s character “The Thing that is Neither God nor Beast, Trogool”; because of the interconnected relation between Dunsany and Lovecraft’s work, Trogool may or may not exist in the TVCU. If it does, that provides a strong link between The Sandman and the TVCU.  Some readers may now be wondering what the issue of inclusion is; there is a number of universes, and the Endless exist in all worlds serving their goals. Despite this, inclusion of the Sandman as is would shatter the established cosmology of the TVCU; Satan has not abandoned Hell (though he is not bound to remain within Hell, yet) to the command of angels, nor as the sequel series Lucifer shows has the God of the Hebrew and Christian religions died to make way for a girl of pantheistic intentions.  To avoid the problems with Sandman’s inclusion to the TVCU, and follow the evidence presented, is not a difficult problem. The best position to assume is that most of the Sandman stories take place within the TVCU (or, dear reader, if you believe the universe shown in DC Comics exists, it may take place there), but many are outright fictions with no basis in truth. Other stories are a mix and match of truth and fantasy. 

1887--SHERLOCK HOLMES--James says:  Here's an odd one: the screen treatment for Guy Richies' Sherlock Holmes, written by Lionel Wigram with art by John Watkiss. Normally I'd ignore such a thing, but the treatment has no events in common with the film, and reads marvelously as a prequel to the film. Essentially this breaks down as such: Lord Blackwood is trying to find an ancient ruby that will allow him to make a deal with Satan for military victory: of course, this deal must be sealed with the sacrifice of a virgin. Rasputin and Russian spies are also about, trying to gain the ruby. Eventually Holmes and Watson stop both groups, and hide the ruby in the Tower of London (perhaps with the royal gems). Lord Blackwood is arrested (or killed by Satan; but arrested works better for our purposes).

1896--HOUSE OF MYSTERY # 227 “DEMONS ARE MADE...NOT BORN” (DC COMICS)--An occult bookstore owner gets a copy of a Satanic book in order to summon a demon to command.  His partner kills him for the book, and casts the spell himself, and that always works out well, right? Regarding House of Mystery:  This book wasn’t always a horror anthology, and we should consider the period when it was a horror anthology a separate series on its own.  As a horror anthology, each story was introduced by Cain, under the implication that he is referring to stories that may have happened within his world in reality, or in nightmares, or perhaps even in alternate worlds.  Because of that, we can’t bring in all the stories from House of Mystery into the Horror Crossover Universe.  Based on the crossovers here, we can place this story in the HCU, but whether Cain is also in the HCU or another reality is unknown.  Considering Cain’s role in the Dreaming, whose Endless appear in multiple realities, it could be that Cain’s house is a dimension outside all realities, and yet existing in all realities.  Within the bookstore we can see copies of the Ruthvenian and the Demonomicon.  As I’ve said elsewhere in this book, the Ruthvenian’s existence implies the real existence of Lord Ruthven from the Vampyre.  The Demonomicon is a book that appears in many of Donald F. Glut’s works.  Donald F. Glut places all his works in the same reality, and ties them together with things like the Demonomicon and the Dark Gods.  This story is written by Donald F. Glut.

1897--DRACULA (NOVEL BY BRAM STOKER)--The undead Count Dracula, known in life as the 15th century Prince Vlad, the Impaler, lives in Transylvania, but comes to London with grand plans never truly stated, but with a side goal of taking young Jonathan Harker’s fiance Mina Murray as his bride since she seems to be the reincarnation of his former bride from his living years.  Professor Abraham Van Helsing comes to the aid of the young couple and helps to slay the vampire and his minions. In the Horror Crossover Universe, it seems that there are more than one Dracula.  Indeed, Dracula means “son of the dragon”, and dragon is another name for Satan.  I believe that in fact, Dracula was the name given to the Vampire Lords of this cult, and these Lords were allowed the title Dracula.  This accounts for many different variations of Dracula that all seem to be in the same reality.  To take things a step further, it seems that this Dracula, who is based on the real historical figure of Vlad the Impaler, is the head of the Draculas, and has been gifted with a method of creating soul clones.  This is a theory created by researcher Chuck Loridans, and which has been incorporated into published works that are part of the Horror Crossover Universe, making it official.  The full details of this theory can be found at, and this site includes a timeline and many essays.  Though I love the timeline and essays, I am not considering any of it as canon unless it works its way into published works that get “crossed in”.  But to sum up the theory itself, which is in, there are times when Dracula needs to rest, and he “turns” a human into a vampire, but also, embeds that new vampire with a type of mind control where the vampire to some degree believes himself to be THE  count, with some of his memories merged with the original person’s personality thrown in.  Dracula then sends the person off to carry out his plans while he slumbers and recharges.  Sometimes he has more than one clone.  His ability to control the clones, versus them taking charge for themselves, depends on various factors, such as how weak Dracula had been, how many clones are active, how far away the clones are from their master, and how strong the will of the clone is.  Chuck Loridans says:  “The soul-clone theory is based upon events recorded in the Hammer film, The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires.  In this film’s 1804 opening, Kah, a Chinese wizard, travels to Transylvania to seek Dracula’s aid in reviving seven evil vampires.  Kah’s wish is to be the master of these vampires himself, so that he may hold a reign of terror over China.  What he soon learns is that you can’t cut deals with the Prince of Darkness.  Dracula is intrigued with the idea of ruling an army of vampires, even if it is not in his native country.  Dracula proclaims the wizard a fool, and grabs him by his throat.  A swirling mist envelopes them both, and when we next see Kah’s body, he has the mind and voice of Dracula.  When Kah departs, Dracula is nowhere to be seen.  We next see Kah in 1904 China.  He is destroyed by Lawrence Van Helsing, but before he turns to ashes, he reveals what Van Helsing already knew, that Kah was indeed Count Dracula.  From this information, one might assume that Dracula used his shapeshifting abilities to transform himself into the wizard, travel to China, and rule the seven vampires.  But if Dracula, in Kah form, was in China from 1804 to 1904, Dracula’s confrontations with Abraham Van Helsing, and later his son Lawrence Van Helsing, are impossible.  Abraham fought Dracula in the year 1897 (Bram Stoker’s novel Dracula, though some would argue that perhaps the actual events of the story took place ten years earlier, in 1887), and Lawrence, from 1895 to 1910 (see Hammer Films Dracula series).  In Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires, Van Helsing and Dracula acknowledge that they have met before.  So the ‘soul-clone’ theory was born.  Why does Dracula make soul-clones? It is shown time and time again that Dracula is strongest when surrounded by the soil of his native Transylvania, and is in peril if he does not have a supply of it nearby.  From this one can assume that this soil is one of his sources of strength, fuel, if you will.  Nowhere can a greater supply of this soil be found than in Transylvania itself.  My theory is that the longer the Prince of Darkness rests in this soil, the stronger he becomes.  Lying in the dirt for extended periods of time, however, is not helpful when one plans to rule the world.  He needs field agents with great power to traverse the globe, setting his plans into motion.  So he makes soul-clones, beings with powers almost equal to his.  Living (or undead) puppets, which Dracula exists through, hears through, sees through, and drinks through, all while his original body lies sleeping, gathering power.”  Author Win Scott Eckert adds:  “The soul-clone theory is supported by several passages from Paul Feval’s Vampire City, a novel which predates Stoker’s Dracula by about thirty years (published 1875,although evidence indicates it was written in the mid 1860s; translated by Brian Stableford, Black Coat Press, October 2003). These passages describe the dividuality of the vampire race:  ‘Each vampire is a collective, represented by one principal form, but possessing other accessory forms of indeterminate number.’  ‘Each subsidiary form, like the dominant form, also has the ability to duplicate itself.’  ‘This bundle of beings, singular and plural at the same time - which seems to be the most blatant realization of the most incomprehensible mysteries of our Christian era - was not created all of a piece.  It was aggregated and rounded out by conquest, like the winnings in a game of cards, or a rolling snowball.  The infamous Monsieur Goetzi, having drunk the blood of all the inhabitants of the Ale and Amber, had incorporated them all into himself.  You will readily appreciate that this facility was extremely convenient.’  For more on Loridans’ theory, see his MONSTAAH website.”

1899--VAN HELSING (FILM)--Gabriel Van Helsing is a man who can’t remember his past, but he’s the best he is as what he does, and what he does ain’t pretty.  (Sorry, couldn’t resist.  Hugh Jackman.  Wolverine.  Never mind.)  What he does is kill monsters.  He’s sent on his most dangerous assignment yet, to Transylvania, where Dracula wishes to create an army of undead children to take over the world.  Van Helsing is aided by his assistant Carl, gypsy clan leader Anna Valerious, and Frankenstein’s monster. Note this Van Helsing is not Abraham, but is Gabriel, implied to actually be the Archangel Gabriel fallen to Earth and living as an immortal.  If this is true, he may be the founder of the Van Helsing family, and this may help explain why so many of the family have a natural tendency toward fighting monsters.  The Dracula here is inspired by the Universal Dracula, but it can’t be either him or the original from the novel.  For one, his home is in another dimension accessed via a magic portal.  From dialogue between Dracula and Van Helsing, it seems implied that Dracula here may be intended to be Lucifer himself.  However, I doubt this considering the overall presence of Lucifer in the HCU, but this could be another fallen angel who served Lucifer, perhaps even Lucifer’s son, thus being the first Dracula (“son of the dragon”) and perhaps the founder of the cult of Vampire Lords who all call themselves Dracula.  Perhaps this Dracula was the one who taught the version from Bram Stoker’s novel the dark arts and how to create soul clones.  This Dracula is named Vladislav, another differentiation between him and Stoker’s version or other versions.  Though it seems that Frankenstein and his monster here follow the events of the Universal films, the date presented in the film would imply that this can’t be the case.  Likely yet another cousin copying the formula to create a monster.  Van Helsing once again faces Hyde, following the London Assignment, in Paris, and seems to kill him, but like many monsters, Hyde seems to be able to survive even with the appearance of death, as he will resurface in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.  It should also be noted that the portrayal of Hyde in this film is similar to his portrayal in LOEG comic and film, likely not a coincidence.  The inclusion of the poem that reads “Even a man who’s pure of heart...” is the closest link to an actual Universal film, in this case, the Wolf Man.

1933--A BOOK OF WIZARDS “SORCERER CONJURER WIZARD WITCH”  (SHORT STORY BY KIM NEWMAN)-- Charles Beauregard of the Diogenes Club becomes involved in a wizard war.  Horror Crosses: Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos; Dracula (novel); Carnacki Ghost Finder; Chandu the Magician; The Magician; Rosemary’s Baby; A Visit to Anselm Oakes; The Black Cat; Casting the Runes; The Picture of Dorian Gray; Varney the Vampyre; Pandora and the Flying Dutchman; The Department of Queer Complaints; Green Tea; Carmilla; The Vampyre; Dr. Silence; The Dream Detective; The Secrets of Dr. Taverner; Some Ghost Stories. Non-Horror Crosses:  Sherlock Holmes; Fu Manchu; Fantomas; Arsene Lupin; Kim Newman’s works; Decline and Fall/Return of the Native; Dr. Nikola; Doctor Who; The Man Who Would Be King; Blandings Castle Saga; Henry Merrivale; Bulldog Drummond; The Green Archer; The Saint; Sexton Blake; Jeeves and Wooster; Hercule Poirot; Rebecca; Lord Peter Wimsey; Philo Vance; Miss Marple; The Hands of Mr. Ottermole; The Drones Club; The Duc de Richelieu; Harry Dickson. All the crosses above have characters or things that either appear or are referenced in this story.  As usual, Kim Newman packs another story chock full of crossover goodness.  By now, I don’t think I need to explain Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos or Dracula.  Carnacki is the famed Ghost Finder.  Chandu is the main character of a 1930s radio series and two film serials.  Both the films and the radio series are considered different perspectives of the same series, so the Chandu of this tale is the character from both radio and film.  The Magician is a 1908 novel by W. Somerset Maugham.  It is a story loosely based on true life occultist Aleister Crowley.  Rosemary’s Baby is a classic movie about a woman impregnated by the devil.  A Visit to Anselm Oakes is another story featuring a character based on Crowley, this time written by Christopher Isherwood.   The Black Cat is another classic horror film.  Casting the Runes is a collection of ghost stories by Montague Rhodes James.  The Picture of Dorian Gray is the classic tale of the man who was immortal, while his picture aged.  Varney the Vampire aka the Feast of Blood is one of the earliest vampire tales.  Pandora and the Flying Dutchman is a tale of of woman named Pandora (who isn’t the one with the box), who becomes involved in events involving the legendary ghost.  The Department of Queer Complaints from Carter Dickson is a secret group that solves cases that are unusual and unexplained.  Green Tea is a story by J. Sheridan le Fanu , the author of Carmilla.  And speaking of which, Carmilla is course is one of the first vampire books to have survived to today.    The Vampyre is the book which features Lord Ruthven, who not only likely wrote the Ruthvenian (the vampire bible) but may also have been Angelus aka Angel (real name Liam) from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel.  Dr. Silence is Algernon Blackwood’s occult detective.  The Dream Detective is Sax Rohmer’s occult detective Morris Klaw.  The Secrets of Dr. Taverner are the adventures of “the occult Sherlock Holmes”.  And I wasn’t being cute with Some Ghost Stories.  This is a reference to a collection of stories from Alfred McLelland Burrage.  As for the non-horror crosses, there’s no way I’m going into all of those as well.  Suffice to say, all of those series, like the horror crosses, are in the Horror Crossover Universe.  For greater detail on those crosses, again I refer you to Win Scott Eckert’s Crossovers:  A Secret Chronology of the World.  

1934--THE DEVIL RIDES OUT (NOVEL BY DENNIS WHEATLEY)--The Duke de Richelieu rescues a friend from a devil worshiping cult. The ritual in this story is the Sussamma ritual.  Win Scott Eckert believes it’s clearly the same ritual that later appears in several Carnacki stories, though the spelling is altered to “Saaamaaa”.  Rick Lai points out that the Saamaaa ritual is part of the Cthulhu Mythos as it later is used in Ramsey Campbell’s 1964 story “The Stone on the Island”, part of an official collection by August Derleth, who of course is the heir to Lovecraft’s Mythos.

1941--DICK TRACY VS. CRIME INC.--Tracy takes on a criminal called the Ghost, and Lucifer himself appears.

1934--THE BLACK CAT (FILM)--A lovely young couple find themselves victims to a mad scientist who worships Satan. This film is very, very, very loosely based on Edgar Allan Poe’s story of the same name.  Since they are different enough, it’s okay that both are brought in.  Poe’s version is in via League of Extraordinary Gentlemen while Rovin’s Return of the Wolf Man brings the film in.  In further entries, I don’t make a distinction between the film and story when listing them as crosses.

1943--THE SEVENTH VICTIM (FILM)--Psychiatrist Louis Judd rescues a woman from a Satanic cult. No Cat People appear in this film, but the above mentioned psychiatrist appears next in Cat People.  Thus I’ve lumped this film into the Cat People series, even though this comes first, because Cat People has so many other crossovers.

1957--UP IN SMOKE--James says:  One more devil crossover; in the Bowery Boys film Up in Smoke Sach sells his soul to the devil in exchange for race tips. Chaos ensues. (The Bowery Boys are in the TVCU through a crossover mention of Sherlock Holmes)​ki/Up_in_Smoke_(1957_film).  The devil in Up in Smoke, Mr. Bubb, is not Satan. At the end of the movie he's demoted from his position for failing to collect Sach's soul. So he was clearly a minor demon using his boss' name.

January 1960--DANNY THOMAS SHOW--"That Ol' Devil Jack Benny"--The actual Devil also appears.

January 1971--MAKE ROOM FOR GRANDDADDY--"Of Mice and Mini"--The Devil once again encounters Danny Williams.

October 1974--GIANT-SIZE WEREWOLF # 2 “THE FRANKENSTEIN MONSTER MEETS WEREWOLF BY NIGHT!” (MARVEL COMICS)--A Satanic cult kidnaps Jack Russell’s sister and recruits the Frankenstein Monster. This is the Marvel version of the Frankenstein creature who may or may not be the original.

February to March 1979--SOAP--The Devil himself possesses Corinne Tate-Flotsky's baby.

February 11, 1980--THE MUPPET SHOW--The Devil appears.

October 1980--FANTASY ISLAND--"The Devil and Mandy Breem"--The Devil comes to Fantasy Island after a guest's soul, and also Mr. Rourke's soul.

October 1981--FANTASY ISLAND--"The Devil and Mr. Rourke"--The Devil returns again to Fantasy Island, claiming to be on vacation, but then uses staff member (and Mr. Roarke's niece) Julie as a pawn in another attempt at gaining Mr. Roarke's soul.  I should mention that sometimes the devil that appears in various shows and movies is really just a soul collecting demon and not really Lucifer/Satan.  However, I feel it's more likely due to the familial relationship and long standing adversarial rivalry, that this is Lucifer/Satan.

1987 to 1990--THE 13TH HOUR/FRIDAY THE 13TH:  THE SERIES--Toby O'B says "Curious Goods used to be Vendredi Antiques, owned by Lewis Vendredi. He made a pact with the Devil to sell the accursed inventory which would spread the Devil's evil far and wide. But when he finally reneged on the deal and lost his soul, it was then up to his old friend Jack Marshak, Vendredi's niece Micki Foster, and her cousin Ryan Dallion to retrieve those items."  Though the series seems to only be tied to the the movies in name only, in fact there was an intention that the hockey mask Jason wears has some connection to the antique store.

October 1987--THE CHARMINGS--"The Witch is of Van Oaks"--Eric and Snow Charming try to set up Snow's step-mother with a neighbor who turns out to be the devil.

December 1989--MACGUYVER--"Two Times Trouble"--Mac helps out a rock star friend whose sister is trying to kill him, and the Devil appears.  Is he just part of the show?

1990—Bill and Ted’s Excellent Comic Book #2--In the wake of the vow renewal, Death has retired and ran off with a second-generation TARDIS for a much needed vacation. This would be bad enough, but Hell is giving up its dead and zombies are wondering about Bill and Ted’s house, making a mess of things. Lincoln, Billy the Kid, and Napoleon battle the zombies back—then, later, force them to clean up the mess they’ve made.  Death running off would be bad enough, but this storyline must occur at the same time as Sandman: Season of Mists. Satan has abandoned Hell (for a time, at least) and all of the damned souls are forced back to walk the worlds they left at death, which explains the zombies surrounding Bill, Ted, and Lincoln.  At this time the exact relation between Bill and Ted’s Death and Sandman’s sister, Death, has not yet been fully determined.

1991--BILL & TED'S BOGUS JOURNEY--Now firmly established in the TVCU, thanks to James.  The duo die and go to Hell where they encounter the Devil.

1994 to 2003--TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL--In the TV series Touched by an Angel, Satan occasionally appeared in the guise of a human being. In each instance, he would manipulate individuals around him in an attempt to thwart the efforts of God (as being carried out by the angels Monica, Tess and Andrew). He was depicted in five episodes of the series. John Schneider, Todd Rulapaugh and Mandy Patinkin each portrayed the character in one episode, while David Ogden Stiers appeared as Satan in the two-episode series finale.

1995--Memnoch the Devil--Lucifer is portrayed as the fallen angel Memnoch in the Anne Rice novel Memnoch The Devil. Throughout the story, Memnoch's only crime is questioning God's methods of dealing with the souls of man, for which God has much patience initially. Finally, when Memnoch descends to Earth to lie with a woman, God casts Memnoch out of Heaven, albeit temporarily, so that Memnoch might teach the souls of Man how to gain access to the Kingdom of Heaven.  This is a Lestat tale.  Anne Rice's Mayfair Witches appear in a TALES OF THE SHADOWMEN story, mentioned in Crossovers.  Anne Rice's witches, vampires, and mummies shared a reality as elements from one series would carry over into another.  It should be mentioned that Buffy Summers has slain multiple vampires named Lestat, one of which may have been the real one.  Also, Chuck Loridans believes that Lestat is a Dracula soul clone. 

December 1995--UNHAPPILY EVER AFTER--"Hot Wheels"--The Devil appears.

September 1996 to February 1997--MARRIED WITH CHILDREN--"Damn Bundys"--Al Bundy makes a deal with the Devil to play in the NFL, but on the day of the Super Bowl, the Devil comes to collect Al's soul, and sentences him to an eternity of spending time only with his family and his neighbors, the D'Arcys.

1998 to 1999--FANTASY ISLAND--The island is still operational in this series revival, and I do consider it a revival, not a reboot.  Now Mr. Roarke has gotten darker, and his appearance has changed.  He is a being with supernatural powers, and this might explain things.  Though Toby O'Brien has a different idea, which you can check out here, but that's too much speculation for me with not enough evidence to support it.  It seems to me more likely that Mr. Roarke may have made some deal with some supernatural being for immortality, but the fine print said he'd be confined to Fantasy Island for life.  In this new series, we learn a a little more about how the Island operates.  People in need accidentally stumble upon a travel agency, which books trips to Fantasy Island.  Then the files are sent directly from the city to the Island via a pneumatic tube, which isn't really physically possible, so it must be magic.  How are people finding this travel agency?  I believe it's God, or at least the folks that work for God, whether you call them angels or white lighters or the powers that be.  Whatever.  In fact, perhaps Mr. Roarke is actually dead, and is serving his own penance by running the Island.  Perhaps, as Thom Holbrook conjectures here, all the staff from both the 70s/80s show and this one are all dead and serving their penance on the Island.  Wow, pretty deep stuff.   And is it possible that the travel agency is not always in the same place?  That would explain how people from all over America...and the world book trips.  Hey, what if Mr. Roarke was one of the angels that didn't take sides during Lucifer's rebellion, and thus this is his punishment?  OK, now who's wildly speculating?  But we do know that in the new series, it's been hinted that the island itself is the source of Mr. Roarke's powers, and that the longer one stays there, the more they also gain power.  The staff, and Mr. Roarke's adopted daughter (raised on the island) also exhibit powers.  There seems to be some hints this place is indeed some sort of Limbo dimension, with the staff all trapped there.  There are parallels between the new series and Shakespeare's THE TEMPEST.  One of the staff member's is named Ariel.  She is a shape shifter who is much older than she appears, and apparently may have been romantically involved with Mr. Roarke some time in the past.  Note that Harry and Cal are both staff members whose lives were saved by Mr. Roarke...or perhaps their souls were.  It seems that Mr. Roarke rescued them both from death, but it's implied that they actually died, and living on the Island is a way of escaping Hell.  Mr. Roarke seems to have the power to send them there should they disobey him.

June 1999--Gen 13: Netherwar--James says:  Gen 13: Netherwar, a tie-in novel by Christopher Golden and Jeff Matiotte, throws the teenaged superheroes against a freshly opened hellmouth (yes, a Buffy crossover) under Las Vagas. Though he doesn't directly appear--probably--Satan is one of the primary villains in the story. In addition, a copy of De Vermis Mysteriis appears. Of course, the team leader John Lynch is actually a retried Nick Fury.  I did a long series of posts linking Gen 13 to the TVCU back in the WNF group. It may be worth reviewing those, even though they're pretty shoddily written.  Rob says:  At least this time it's not me bringing more super-heroes into the TVCU.

November 1999--NORM--"Norm and Shelley"--The Devil appears.

2000--SHAFT--Nephew of the original, he is one bad mother...anyways, Lucifer apparently appears.  Note this date might not match what is in Crossovers but I don't have the book handy.

2001 to 2009--BONEYARD--James says:  The "Satan" who shows up in the first volume of the Boneyard comic books passes himself off as "Mayor Wormwood," which is a crossover of sorts with C. S. Lewis' The Screwtape Letters.  Problems with this? This demon really isn't as powerful as Satan should be, so it's clearly not him. And Wormwood died a terrible death at the hands of his Uncle Screwtape at the end of Lewis' novel, so it's clearly not him. For that matter, what being would pass themselves off under the name of a murdered demon?  I believe the one who murdered the demon in question might adopt the dead demon's name in an effort to protect himself against name based magic; and who better to steal the name of the murdered than the murderer himself, Screwtape (Senior Demon of the Lowerarchy of Hell).  [This]  would place both The Screwtape Letters and the first volume of Boneyard on the timeline (Boneyard is in through crossovers with Frankenstein, The Creature from the Black Lagoon, and Friday the 13th).

2006--HELLRAISER:  PROPHESY--In this fan film crossover, Lucifer blackmails a young woman into solving the Lament Configuration, in hope of bringing the Cenobites into the Second Angelic War.

2006--MACHETE--Lucas Cano, (Machete) an ex-bodyguard for the Mexican President, tired of his life style, retires to a remote small town in Mexico, in hope of finding peace. But things do not work out for him the way he wants them to. First, he must confront several drug dealers who smuggle illegal immigrants into the United States, forcing them to smuggle drugs. Then, Machete finds out that his old Vietnam friend, who now works for the CIA in Arizona, has been assigned to arrest Machete, and take him back to the US for some old charges. Machete's health is deteriorating rapidly. He is constantly bleeding internally, but he won't stop drinking and smoking. Panchito is a little boy Machete met in a street fight, and the little boy, claiming not to have any family, decides to hang out with Machete and tries to help him change his life style. Machete does not know that a higher power is watching out for him. Panchito is an angel sent by God to save his body and soul. Esperanza (Pelancho) meets Machete when one of the drug dealers (and immigrant smugglers) tries to rape her. Esperanza immediately feels a connection between them, but can't tell what it is. Machete gets the same feeling and starts to investigate who the girl is and where she come from. Esperanza's mother, convinced by the local priest to tell Esperanza the connection between her and Machete, confesses to her but it is too late. Machete has been shot by Ruidoso and is dying. The Devil is also involved.

2006 to 2011--SUPERNATURAL--Ivan Ronald Schablotski says: Regarding Death, I recommend considering that many beings known as "Death" are actually Reapers, as seen on SUPERNATURAL (which are very different from the Reapers seen on the show REAPER). Reapers work for Death, rather than Heaven or Hell, but seem synonymous with most takes on Angels of Death (like on the series TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL, the movie CITY OF ANGELS, etc.).  (on SUPERNATURAL) Death was a Horseman of the Apocalypse serving Lucifer ONLY because Lucifer had a binding spell that gave him a very limited control of Death. Since Season 7 had the angel Castiel become the new God, and angels on that show can definitely die, it's not unreasonable to see an interpretation that 'God' will be claimed by Death that does not violate the concepts of monotheistic GOD being rather above all that.  However, I will say that many supernatural and mythological creatures and villains have been handled in ways I find very frustrating on SUPERNATURAL. Rakshasha and Kitsune in particular were grossly misrepresented, IMO. And don't get me started on the idea that the gods of Olympus would willingly eat human flesh.  Robert Wronski adds: So here is my philosophy regarding religion, philosophy, and supernatural beings. First, there are many things of a godly nature that will never comprehend. Second, there are some supernatural beings that will pose as more famous beings. Finally, some creatures actually have many subspecies, explaining differences. So the devil isn't always the devil. God moves in mysterious ways based on his plan. And not all vampires are the same. If Win had put too much thought into this area the CU would not exist. That's how I justify making Supernatural part of the TVCU based on solid crossovers rather than does their mythology match up with others. 

2007--EVIL WAYS--John D Lindsey Jr: The second book, Evil Ways, picks up a few months after the first, and has Quincy and Libby racing to stop a ritual that will summon Lucifer to the Earthly plane. It contains the following crossovers:
  • Cthulhu Mythos - One of the books used for the ritual is Alhazred’s Book of Shadows. While ol’ Abdul clearly existed in this world, characters do argue about whether the Necronomicon is real or not. We’ve mentioned before that the Necronomicon was used in a Supernatural tie-in to summon Lucifer, as well (though the spell could only work after the Seals were busted in season 4).
  • Hannibal Lecter - At one point, when talking to an FBI agent, Morris mentions that he knew Will Graham, the hero of Thomas Harris’ 1980 novel Red Dragon, the agent who initially captured Hannibal Lecter. Later, Morris asks if Jack Crawford is still in charge of the FBIs Behavioral Science Unit, only to be told that he died of a heart attack a few years back. Crawford is also from the Hannibal Lecter books; his death is depicted in Hannibal.
  • The X-Files - When Morris asks an FBI agent if he is from the X-Files: “The X-Files Unit does not exist, and has never existed,” Fenton said, as if quoting somebody. “It is a myth, perpetuated by rumor and popular culture”. Obviously, given the other X-Files and Millennium references, the FBI is trying to sweep that little embarrassment under the rug.
  • The Ghost Whisperer - While discussing a psychic, there’s this quote from Libby Chastain: “I would have thought he was just some hustler, like that Ghost Whisperer clown.
  • The Dresden Files –Quincy decides to contact an old friend, Chicago’s resident wizard. Morris and Chastain actually go to McAnally's, a pub that serves as neutral ground for Chicago's secret magical community in the Dresden books, where the owner, Mac, gives them a letter from Harry (referred to as "Harry the Wizard") explaining that he had to miss their appointment because he was called away on Council business (the Council being the White Council of wizards). This was done with the express permission of Jim Butcher, according to the Acknowledgements page; Butcher himself wrote the intro to the first book.
  • Kolchack: The Night Stalker – In an early chapter, Quincy breaks into the estate of a powerful Satanist named Janos Skorzeny. The name is also used by the first vampire Carl Kolchak ever fought, and by a werewolf (duh!) in the short-lived ‘80s series Werewolf. More explicitly, one of Quincy's other contacts in Chicago is a reporter named Carl, who keeps an eye on the supernatural goings on in the city, though his boss, Tony, keeps trying to send him off to cover flower shows. So, either Carl Kolchak (and Tony Vincenzo) got immortality treatment at some point, or we're dealing with descendents. Or a time loop or something crazier.
  • Millennium - The characters visit a psychic sensitive named Frank, who runs the Ourobouros Bar and Grill in Cleveland. Frank has a daughter, Jordan, now in college, and at one point says: “I used to work with some people, about ten years ago, who were worried that the turn of the millennium was going to cause all the supernatural shit to hit the fan. You may have noticed that it didn't, and I like to think our group had something to do with that, before the whole organization went to shit.” Frank is Frank Black. He and another character even exchange “This is who we are”s.
  • The Usual Suspects - An FBI agent discussing their suspect says, “Fella's like Keyser fucking Soze”, to which his partner replies, "Yeah, and like Soze, there's no official evidence to connect him to anything illegal." 
  • The Shadow – One of the characters is a woman named Hannah Widmark, whose husband and children were killed by Satanists, and who now serves as sort of a supernatural bounty hunter, killing vampires, Satanists, and dark wizards for a fee. At one point, she thinks of one of her mentors, “a shadowy, enigmatic man named Cranston”, who taught her how to fire a pair of Colt .45s simultaneously and hit her targets every time, and who once said of them, with “that weird laugh of his: “The weed of Satan bears bitter fruit, Hannah. And these are your weed-cutters.” Hannah Widmark was trained by The Shadow, still using his Lamont Cranston identity, or possibly that of a descendent.

2007 to 2009--REAPER--On his 21st birthday, Sam discovers his parents sold his soul to the devil before birth and he must now be a bounty hunter for the devil until he dies.  Morley cigarettes appear in this series.  Morley Cigarettes are found in REAPER, Beverly Hills 90210, BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, COLD CASE, CRIMINAL MINDS, ER, JAKE 2.0, KILLER INSTINCT, THE L WORD, MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE, MEDIUM, MILLENNIUM, MISSION:  IMPOSSIBLE, NASH BRIDGES, NEW AMSTERDAM, PRISON BREAK, THE OUTER LIMITS (though only the stories that have the cigarettes are included), SPACE:  ABOVE AND BEYOND, SPECIAL UNIT 2, SPY GAME, THAT 70S SHOW, THE TWILIGHT ZONE (same rule as OUTER LIMITS), and THE X-FILES.  

October 2007--SUPERNATUAL--"Sin City"--In the series Supernatural, Lucifer is first discussed in the season 3 episode "Sin City". In the episode, a demon refers to him as the god of the demons, who made them what they are. 

September 2008 to May 2009--SUPERNATURAL--Season 4 deals with the demons' attempts to break 66 seals which would allow Lucifer to walk the earth and unleash hell. 

2008-1010—Warehouse 13--“The Dark Vaulter”--This is a short web documentary dedicated to looking at background props that haven’t received much attention on the show itself. Two items are of note are covered: Rosemary’s Baby’s carriage, and Ralph Kramden’s bowling ball.  The presence of Rosemary’s carriage brings the film Rosemary’s Baby. While an antichrist was born in 1960s New York, it’s probable that since Satan is ignorant of the true end of time he has a constant string of Antichrists always being born so that, in event his time comes, he has agents already willing and active (I once wrote a paper on this).  For initiates into wider TVCU theory, it is obvious why the TVCU Warehouse has Ralph Kramden’s bowling ball. Ralph and his friend Ed Norton were connected to the immortal Zed, and the Looniverse.

November 17, 2008--THE DAILY SHOW--The Devil appears.

April 2009--MY NAME IS EARL--"Gospel"--Earl's efforts to help a reverend who is on his list multiple times drive the reverend back to his old life of crime, while Joy risks getting her third strike when she hits Catalina with a riding lawn mower.  The Devil appears. 

May 2009--SUPERNATURAL--"Lucifer Rising"--The season finale ends with the final seal being broken and Lucifer breaking through the ground. 

2009--DRAG ME TO HELL--James says:  Though it's thematically similar, I'm not sure if the recent film Drag Me to Hell has an appearence by Satan. It does however have a subtle link to the Evil Dead films (remember that this is a Sam Raimi film). Per IMDB: "When Clay Dalton mentions traveling to his parents' cabin that has trees and is private, this is a direct reference to the cabin used in The Evil Dead (1981) and Evil Dead II (1987)."

September 2009 to May 2010--SUPERNATURAL-- In Season 5, Lucifer is portrayed by Bellamy YoungAdrianne Palicki, andJared Padalecki, but primarily by Mark Pellegrino. Lucifer claims to have been cast out of heaven for defying God's wish to love mankind more than their Lord and attempts to earn sympathy from the audience. However; through the course of the show it is revealed that Lucifer's actions are merely out of spite for his Father and brothers, specifically his elder Michael. It is Lucifer's desire to eradicate mankind and eventually the demons too, allowing him to rule the earth according to his design.

July 2010--WAREHOUSE 13--Season Two; Episode One "Time Will Tell"
An anti-gravity home safety device is powered by Cavorite (from H.G. Wells' The
First Men in the Moon); a character uses a vest powered by a safer version of
"The New Accelerator."  This episode, however, introduces the idea that H.G. Wells didn't write any of
his novels, and that these "novels" (Actually true events) were all penned by
his sister. This can be discounted fairly simpily as nonsense, passed on by an
immortal.  Dante Alighieri's deathmask also appears. When used, the mask creates a
conflagration. This is evidence that Dante's Devine Comedy occurs
within the TVCU.

31st century--FUTURAMA--At this point, Lucifer has been replaced by a robot.


ADAM SANDLER UNIVERSE--2000--LITTLE NICKY--The second appearance of Chubbs, who is now in heaven, having died in Happy Gilmore.  Also we see the Townie "You can do it!!!" guy, originally seen in the Water Boy.  And in this reality, Lucifer is actually the father of Satan, Satan having been born at the same time as Christ.  Satan has three children, one of whom is half-angel.

CINEVERSE (and CINEMULTIVERSE)--I refuse to list all his film appearances that aren't in the TVCU.  If you're curious, go to

DOCTOR WHO UNIVERSE--The two-part Doctor Who story "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit" features a version of the Devil referred to simply as "the Beast", who claims to have served as a subconscious basis for devil-like deities in religions throughout the universe. This depiction gives more emphasis on the monstrous appearance of the Devil, depicting him as a gargantuan, red skinned beast with horns and a skeletal face.  The Torchwood episode "End of Days" features a gigantic demonic being named Abaddon, called the "Son of the Great Beast" (referring directly to the Doctor Whoepisodes stated above). Abaddon kills people by casting his shadow over them to absorb their life-energy, which is ultimately his downfall.


  • 1981--LOONEY, LOONEY, LOONEY BUGS BUNNY MOVIE--Bugs hosts an awards show for three films which are actually compilation clip shows.  This movie also features King Arthur, Sir Osis of Liver, Sir Loin of Beef, Sam, Gerry the Idgit Dragon, Daffy, Sylvester, Tweety, Porky, Speedy Gonzales, Satan, the Treasury Director, Rocky, Mugsy, a judge, Clancy, O'Hara, cops, Pepe Le Pew, Clarence aka B.A. Bird, Granny, Big Bad Wolf, Three Little Bops, the singing narrator, the non-singing narrator, a lawyer, and an interviewing dog.  
  • And Operation Bugs Bunny.  
  • He again appears on Tiny Toons' Night Ghoulery. 
  • And on Pinky and the Brain.  
  • Satan appears in the 1993 ANIMANIAKS episode "Hot, Bothered, and Bedeviled/Moon Over Minerva/Skullhead Boneyhands ".  
  • Darkwing Duck also encounters the Devil.  
  • September 2006--DRAWN TOGETHER--"Lost in Parking Space"--When the gang go the mall without Clara, she thinks the Rapture has come and she was left behind. She abandons her Christian beliefs to follow Satan.  Meanwhile, the gang get their car pinned in the mall parking lot, so they can't open the doors and are all stuck. Foxxy discovers at the mall that the Hot Topic abducts cartoon characters for customers to come and torture.
  • And Aqua Unit Patrol Squad 1 (formerly Aqua Teen Hunger Force), which I've conceded thanks to Ivan's strong argument that the show belongs here.


SKITLANDIA--'nuff said.

TOOBWORLD-- Visit Toby's site for his take on the TV Devil.

TOONIVERSE--The Devil also exists in this realm in many forms and by many names.

ZED ANOMALY--Within the anomaly, Satan has a son named Damian, and sometimes surfaces to challenge Jesus to make him look bad.  He rules Hell and has discovered he is a homosexual, having had a relationship with Saddam Hussein that ended badly.  Hussein was emotionally abusive and Satan had to ask God to take him in Heaven in order to break up with him.  Since then, Satan has found he needs some alone time.  Satan of this anomaly seems to have a bit of the personality of a teenage girl, though he was once the feared being of legend.  Incidentally, all deceased souls go to Hell in this reality, except for the Mormons.


  1. I'd put the "Daily Show" devil into Skitlandia, along with his appearances on SNL played by Jon Lovitz and Jason Sudeikis, but that's just me......

  2. Machete Is also the uncle of the spy Kids