Wednesday, October 3, 2018

Superman: The Movie: A TVCU Timeline

Superman'78 came from a very different Krypton, one that exploded actually thousands of years ago and where the architecture was based on an advanced crystal technology.  Kal-El came through a time portal and ended up in landing him in Smallville, Kansas in 1948 (though he had aged two years during his travel).  He was raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent.  He moved to a Metropolis that is clearly New York City.  It has a Stature of Liberty and United Nations, and Rex Reed is seen at the Daily Planet.  Rex Reed worked in NYC in 1978.

1947 (or thousands of years ago)--Birth of Kal-El.

1948--According to Lex Luthor, Krypton exploded in 1978, even though Jor-El tells Clark that Krypton exploded thousands of years ago.

1951--Kal-El lands on Earth and is adopted by the Kents.

1965--Death of Jonathan Kent. Clark leaves to find his destiny.

1973 to 1986--SUPER FRIENDS--Is this Superman the same one that is in the Super-Friends? It seems like he should be.  No and yes.  I’m leaving that up to the readers to decide.  Except I will say Superman of the Super Friends was Superboy as a teen.  Otis does appear on Super Friends but they call him Orville instead.  I did include the Scooby-Doo Team-Up issue, which references the previous issue, in which Superman was in the Super-Friends. So one might think anyone that has read that comic would have to infer that this is the same Superman.  Infer away. I also included that same issue in the Adventures of Superman timeline so hopefully that will mess with people’s heads.

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1977--SUPERMAN THE MOVIE--At this point, the second Superman debuts. We should presume at this point that any TVCU appearances of Superman prior to this were of course the original Superman (from ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN) and after this point, we are seeing the Superman from SUPERMAN THE MOVIE as the primary Superman, and the golden age Superman would be the George Reeves version.

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1979--SUPERMAN II--As revealed in the Richard Donner cut, Superman II was meant to happen immediately following the first movie. But since Richard Donner was fired and replaced, we'll relegate his version to the Donnerverse and set this in 1979 based on the awesome movie timeline video I've included with this blog post. A quick plug, I love this movie timeline series because it works very well with the TVCU standard of "It happened as seen on screen". It uses information directly from lines and visual data to date the movies.

1979--WONDER WOMAN'77--In this series, that new hero flying around Metropolis is mentioned, clearly referring to Superman. This is meant to imply that Superman'78 exists in the same reality as Wonder Woman'77. The problem that arises is that Batman'66 connected to Superman'51, then Batman'66 connected to Wonder Woman'77. Thus, Superman'51 and Superman'78 both exist in the same timeline!!! That's where the time doppelganger theory for the Adventures of Superboy comes in handy. But whereas in most cases, alternate timelines were created, in this instance, two versions showed up in the same timeline.

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1980--SUPERMAN III--Superman faces an evil billionaire and a genius computer programmer.


1983--SUPERGIRL--When Krypton exploded thousands of years ago, Argo City, which was covered by a dome, was shot off into space and survived, also going through the same time portal as Kal-El. Kara is Superman's cousin, who journeys to Earth in a mission that will save her people. This takes place at a time that Superman is on a "mission in space".

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1985--SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE--Superman tries to rid the world of nuclear weapons while Luthor creates a Nuclear Man.

Spring 1992--Bob Wronski visits New York City with friends John Barstow (once a member of the Heroes of Earth before Final Crisis and later the recording artist Johnny Bowtie) and Kenny Maxwell (formerly the supervillain Krusher before the Final Crisis). They visit the Empire State Building, legendary for the KING KONG incident as well as for being the headquarters of DOC SAVAGE. The Empire State Building is also the favorite building of architect Ted Mosby (HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER). [You may notice I can’t help but place myself in these chronologies.] The Empire State Building also connects to: LOVE AFFAIR/AN AFFAIR TO REMEMBER/SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE, EMPIRE, PERCY JACKSON & THE OLYMPIANS: THE LIGHTNING THIEF, FAIL-SAFE, THE PRODUCERS, THE TIME MACHINE, SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW, WEST SIDE STORY, STEP UP 3D, THE OTHER GUYS, INDEPENDENCE DAY, KNOWING, THE DIVIDE, DOCTOR WHO, FRINGE, MYTHBUSTERS, AVENUE Q, THUNDERBIRDS, MUCH ADO ABOUT NUTTING, MOUSE IN MANHATTAN, and EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING. There are also literary connections, but as regular readers of my book know, I tend not to focus as much on printed material. Here is the list of films linked to the building from the building's own website: Since 1931, the Empire State Building has been an international icon and has been immortalized on the Silver Screen as a timeless classic for not only New York, but the world. As a hot destination for Hollywood, filmmakers have featured the building in more than 250 feature films to tell their tales. Some of the most memorable Empire State Building moments can be seen in "King Kong," "An Affair to Remember," "Sleepless in Seattle," "Elf," and "Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief." Others that are connected featuring the famed building are:

  • The Amazing Spider-Man
  • An Affair to Remember
  • Anchoring in Seattle
  • Annie Hall
  • Any Wednesday
  • April Fools
  • Ask Any Girl
  • Auntie Mame
  • Bachelor Apartment
  • Ball of Fire
  • Bell Book and Candle
  • Best of Everything
  • Bright Lights, Big City
  • Big City Blues
  • Blackboard Jungle
  • Bon Voyage
  • Broadway Melody
  • Butcher's Wife
  • Champion
  • Charlie Chan of Broadway
  • Come to the Stable
  • Coogan's Bluff
  • Daddy Long Legs
  • Detective Story
  • Elf
  • Easter Parade
  • Edge of the City
  • Fail-Safe
  • FBI Story
  • Fine Madness
  • Finian's Rainbow
  • Footlight Serenade
  • Fitzwilly
  • For Pete's Sake
  • French Connection I
  • Friends with Benefits
  • Funny Face
  • French Line
  • Garment Jungle
  • Guys & Dolls
  • Hancock
  • Hatful of Rain
  • How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying
  • I Take this Woman
  • Independence Day
  • It's Always Fair Weather
  • Ivory Ape
  • King of the Gypsies
  • King Kong
  • Klute
  • Kramer vs. Kramer
  • Last Action Hero
  • Law & Disorder
  • Love With a Proper Stranger
  • Lullaby of Broadway
  • Madigan
  • Man in Gray Flannel Suit
  • Manhattan
  • Manhattan Melodrama
  • Manhattan Tower
  • Moon is Blue
  • My Man Godfrey (Remake)
  • My Sister Eileen
  • New York Confidential
  • New York, New York
  • New York Stories
  • New York Town
  • North By Northwest
  • Nothing Sacred

  • Oblivion
  • On the Town
  • On the Waterfront
  • Pawnbroker
  • Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief
  • President's Analyst
  • Prisoner of Second Avenue
  • Rock Around the Clock
  • Saboteur
  • Safety First
  • Saint in New York
  • Serpico
  • Seven Ups
  • Shaft
  • Sky's the Limit
  • Slaughter on Tenth Avenue
  • Sleepless in Seattle
  • The Smurfs
  • So This is New York
  • Something Borrowed
  • Stand Up and Cheer
  • Street Scene
  • Sunday in New York
  • Superman II
  • Sweet Charity
  • The Switch
  • Taxi Driver
  • A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas
  • Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps
  • When Harry Met Sally
  • Who Done It
  • World of Henry Orient
  • World Flesh & Devil
  • You Gotta Stay Happy

Release Date: August 22, 2001
Animates Series Crosses: Peanuts
Other Crosses: Superman (Christopher Reeve film series)
Non-Crosses:  Mary Poppins; Speed
The Story: Lois takes Tae Jitsu classes, but her newfound fighting power turns her into a bully.
Notes: Animated Series Crosses:  When Lucy Van Pelt pulls the football away from Lois as she often does with Charlie Brown, Lois kicks Lucy in the face. Other Crosses:  At the bar, Peter makes a rude remark about Krypton, which angers Zod, Ursa, and Non, and sends them back to the Phantom Zone. Note though based on Superman II, these are the Cartoon Universe versions of the villains. It could be that the Cartoon Universe Superman had an adventure as some point in his history similar to the events of Superman II.  Non-Crosses:  An alternate version of Mary Poppins is seen in a cutaway that doesn’t exist in the real world.  Peter watches a sequel to Speed that does not exist in the real world.

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2006 to Present--WWE WRESTLING--Brooke Adams is a wrestler/personal assistant/model, who also goes by the name of Miss Tessmacher. Eve Tessmacher was the "assistant" of Lex Luthor from the Superman films, so it could be that Brooke is in fact related to Eve, and maybe even the daughter of Lex Luthor and Eve Tessmacher.

Release Date: December 16, 2007
Other Crosses: Defending Your Life; It’s a Wonderful Life; Muppet Show; Superman (Christopher Reeve film series); A Christmas Carol
The Story: Stan dies while trying to get the perfect Christmas tree, and must petition in the afterlife for a second chance at living.
Notes: The trial Stan must endure is like that seen in the film Defending Your Life. If the angel is able to help Stan, she will earn her wings, a tradition established in It’s a Wonderful Life. Kermit the Frog and Jim Henson are shown to be trapped in the Phantom Zone. The angel that aids Stan is Michelle, who previously appeared in “The Best Christmas Story Never” serving in the role of the Ghost of Christmas Past.


Release Date: April 3, 2012 (See notes for setting)
Series: The Time Travel Guide
Horror Crosses: Evil Dead; Alien
Non-Horror Crosses: Terminator; Doctor Who; Back to the Future; Forbidden Planet; The Time Machine; Time Cop; A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court; Star Trek; Timeline; Stargate; Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure; Hot Tub Time Machine; Star Wars; Futurama; Donnie Darko; Time After Time; Lost; Philadelphia Experiment; 12 Monkeys; Quantum Leap; X-Files; Gundam; Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers; Voltron; iRobot; Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (films); Superman (Christopher Reeve films); Land of the Lost; Battlestar Galactica; Star Trek (reboot); Planet of the Apes; Call of Duty; Muppet Show
The Story: Not so much a story, this is an actual guide for new time travellers written by some guys who live at some point in the future, but who came back in time to publish the book (presumably to avoid an amateur time traveller from screwing up their timeline).
Notes: This story implies that all of the above crosses exist. However, because of the nature of time travel, it’s possible that some of the above may be in divergent timelines while others are part of the main Horror Universe timeline.


SCOOBY-DOO TEAM-UP # 9--Superman

  • This is classic Pre-Crisis Superman.  Krypto is not from the cartoon but the silver age version.  References to Elastic Lad, signal watch, that pool at the fortress that gives powers, the Fortress itself, the Jimmy Olsen Fan Club etc.
  • No Z in Brazier reference to Margot Kidder’s Lois from the Christopher Reeve movies.
  • Perry White references  the classic George Reees episode where a crook pretends to be ghost of Caeser to drive Perry crazy.
  • Reference to the previous Super Friends issue.
  • Lois’ costume looked a bit like the one seen in Lois and Clark
  • Lots of classic villains, Professor Pottor, Space Canine Patrol Agency


Beneath the film title, the torso of Superman wearing a suit and white shirt is shown. The shirt is pulled apart to reveal a large red 'S' symbol

Earth 1278--Numerical designation by John Wells after the month and date -- December, 1978 -- that Superman The Movie had its theatrical release. The Flash, Human Target, Batman Diet Coke, Swamp Thing, Superman, Superman II, Swamp Thing, Superman III, Supergirl, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, The Return of Swamp Thing, Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Steel, Catwoman, The Vigilante. The home of the theatrical incarnations of DC's heroes as shown in comic book adaptations. First appeared in The Vigilante.


Superman above North America at night; his shirt and tights are blue, with a yellow insignia with a red border and stylized "S" on his chest; his cape, briefs and boots are red, and he wears a yellow belt with a similar insignia on the buckle as on his chest.

2001--SUPERMAN RETURNS--Meant to be a sequel to Superman and Superman II. Superman finds evidence of where Krypton existed and leaves Earth for five years.

2006--SUPERMAN RETURNS--Superman comes back to Earth after five years in space, to find that Luthor has been released from prison, and Lois has a five year old kid. In this universe, Superman the Movie and Superman II seemed to have happened (perhaps in 2000 or 2001?), but Superman III and IV did not happen. For instance, Martha died prior to Superman IV but is still alive in this film, but Luthor does reference his previous visit to the Fortress in Superman II, and Lois' child is presumed to be the product of the events of Superman II (placing Superman II of this timeline in 2001 for sure.)

The face of a man appears in a crystalline wall, while a bald man with his back at the camera looks at him.


Superman, bearing his traditional red and blue costume, is shown flying towards the viewer, with the city Metropolis below. The film's title, production credits, rating and release date is written underneath.

The DC Cinematic Universe aka DC Extended Universe aka Worlds of DC, which started with Man of Steel and thus far includes Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Justice League, will be covered in a later timeline blog post. There are a few non-DC crossovers to cover there.

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